The Top 100 Pound for Pound All-Time Greats

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  1. Flea Man

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    Fair.
     
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  2. mcvey

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    " Tiers for souvenirs are all you've left me.
    But tiers can't mend a broken heart I must confess.
    Lets forgive,and forget, turn those tiers of regret .
    Once more into tiers of happiness."
     
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  3. McGrain

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    ****ing straight.
     
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  4. Vysotsky

    Vysotsky Boxing Junkie banned

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    I'm not offended or trying to be argumentative at all, just stating my opinion. I still don't agree with Luf's perspective about two weightclasses automatically qualifying them as greater but i appreciate your post here and find myself agreeing with you about IV being too high.

    I just noticed Mike is listed in VI and VII, which one is it? VI is fair, if i was going to make a case for V i would compare to Hagler. The value i place on certain factors when looking at these things tends to differ from alot of others and im aware of that. Mike vs Marvin for example the disparity in quantity of elite wins weighs much higher for me than number of title defenses considering the level of opposition.

    Mike's consistancy in beating greater opponents is a more valuable consistancy than guys like Hagler and Hopkins are credited for in beating lesser fighters when fighting 2 or 3 times a year. Holman or Mike having the odd loss against another great fighter and one or two head scratchers in their career doesn't diminish the significance of how many elite opponents they defeated and the consistancy with which they did it. I value that more.
     
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  5. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Yeah, I don't think you were being difficult or anything like that - i'm just trying to head off an prospective passionas at the pass:D

    Mike's in the higher one, I just forgot to remove him frmo the lower when I bumped him. Fixed.
     
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  6. McGrain

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    Tier VII
    Ted Kid Lewis, Carlos Zarate, Jack Dempsey (np), Luis Manuel Rodriguez, Bernard Hopkins, Floyd Mayweather, Manny Pacquiao, Salvador Sanchez.

    Tier VIII
    Oscar De La Hoya, Sammy Angott, Miguel Canto, Jimmy Driscoll, Harold Johnson, Kid Norfolk, Manuel Ortiz, Dick Tiger.


    So we're ok with these as they stand at the moment? Or not? Related specifically to those above them rather than what might come after...so dont' worry about names you haven't seen - do you feel strongly any of these guys should be higher?
     
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  7. Mr Butt

    Mr Butt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You asked "so we're ok with these as they stand " no de la Hoya to high should be in holding at best is he above Lloyd marshall
     
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  8. McGrain

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    Noted.

    I want to leave Oscar where he is and label him as one of the guys to be discussed at the end.
     
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  9. McGrain

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    What about these guys? (Holding)
    Young Corbett III, Abe Attell, Fritzie Zivic, Lloyd Marshall, Pascual Perez, Larry Holmes, Bob Foster, Panama Al Brown, Benny Lynch, Teddy Yarosz.
     
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  10. turbotime

    turbotime Hall Of Famer Full Member

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    Oscar too high? :patsch
     
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  11. McGrain

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    Tier I
    Sam Langford,Harry Greb,Ray Robinson,Henry Armstrong,Ezzard Charles,Muhammad Ali,Benny Leonard.

    Tier II
    Joe Gans, Mickey Walker, Archie Moore, Roberto Duran, Packey McFarland, Joe Louis, Willie Pep, Sugar Ray Leonard.

    Tier III
    George Dixon, Joe Walcott, Charley Burley, Holman Williams, Barney Ross, Tony Canzoneri, Jimmy McLarnin, Sandy Saddler.

    Tier IV
    Gene Tunney, Pernell Whitaker, Roy Jones, Terry McGovern, Billy Conn, Kid Gavilan, Stanley Ketchel, Eder Jofre, Tommy Loughran, Tommy Gibbons, Jimmy Wilde.

    Tier V
    Julio Cesar Chavez, Ruben Olivares, Alexis Arguello, Jose Napoles, Emile Griffith, Jack Britton, Carlos Monzon, Marvin Hagler, Jimmy Bivins, Tommy Ryan.

    Tier VI
    Mike Gibbons, Evander Holyfield, Fighting Harada, Michael Spinks, Wilfredo Gomez, Thomas Hearns, Carlos Ortiz, Ike Williams, Rocky Marciano, Young Corbett III.

    Tier VII
    Ted Kid Lewis, Carlos Zarate, Jack Dempsey (np), Luis Manuel Rodriguez, Bernard Hopkins, Floyd Mayweather, Manny Pacquiao, Salvador Sanchez.

    Tier VIII
    Oscar De La Hoya, Sammy Angott, Miguel Canto, Harold Johnson, Manuel Ortiz, Dick Tiger, Lloyd Marshall.

    What about these guys? (Holding)
    Abe Attell, Fritzie Zivic, Pascual Perez, Jimmy Driscoll, Larry Holmes, Panama Al Brown, Benny Lynch, Teddy Yarosz, Bob Foster, Kid Norfolk.
     
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  12. turbotime

    turbotime Hall Of Famer Full Member

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    His win record is patchy when fighters had to go all BALCO on him :verysad
     
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  13. turbotime

    turbotime Hall Of Famer Full Member

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    I think Hopkins should be higher, much higher for me. Other than that, it's looking nice MacG :smoke
     
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  14. Mr Butt

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    :censored:censored
     
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  15. McGrain

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    He has a point. Lloyd Marshall beat better men than Oscar, i feel pretty sure of that. But there's a superb post, as you'll remember outlining Oscar's case. Some quibles aside, I think it's the best post in this thread, perhaps. But I want to wait on Oscar now. He's a dividing presence, as I knew he would be and I want to wait on him.
     
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