The Top 100 Pound for Pound All-Time Greats

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  1. Flea Man

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    Saddler of course was the man at two weights.
     
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  2. KuRuPT

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    I understand it has to be done on a case by case basis.. my thing is.. when most things are equal.. skills.. prime dominance...etc etc.. that the person moving up more divisions and getting good victories should get the tie breaker. That is how I view a p4p list.. with moving up given higher credence than a regular top 100 list.
     
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  3. Vysotsky

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    I like where Young Corbett III is and its good to see his name on there.

    I support this McG once a new round of fighters for holding is underway. Freddie Steele even more so.

    I completely agree with this sentiment for analysis. Not only can your example be applied to weight jumping in modern eras but also the value people place on longevity and dominance in a weak era. For example would Monzon, Hagler, Hopkins distinguish themselves and become dominant if facing Jones, Toney, McCallum, Kalambay, Nunn, McClellan, Eubank, Watson, Benn in a strong era. Facing almost all of them in multi fight series and fighting every month for years? That's what you're comparing when looking at guys like Williams, Burley, Mike Gibbons, Yarosz, Steele, Overlin who all beat the elite they faced on a consistant basis under those circumstances, i place more value on that consistancy than the consistancy of the long reigning MW's.
     
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  4. McGrain

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    OK my dudes, i'm not going to move th is thing on until we get some discussion on the bottom pod and the holding pod. So far all i've got is an appeal, which seems reasonable, to hold Zivic and Lynch back in the holding area and a stalled (I think flea?) opinion that Driscoll should be tier V.

    Moar. Let's take the day and see what comes up.
     
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  5. McGrain

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    Tier I
    1) San Langford
    2) Harry Greb
    3) Ray Robinson
    4) Henry Armstrong
    5) Bob Fitzsimmons
    6) Ezzard Charles
    7) Muhammad Ali
    Benny Leonard

    Tier II
    Joe Gans, Mickey Walker, Archie Moore, Roberto Duran, Packey McFarland, Joe Louis, Willie Pep, Sugar Ray Leonard.

    Tier III
    George Dixon, Joe Walcott, Charley Burley, Holman Williams, Barney Ross, Tony Canzoneri, Jimmy McLarnin, Sandy Saddler.

    Tier IV
    Gene Tunney, Pernell Whitaker, Roy Jones, Terry McGovern, Billy Conn, Kid Gavilan, Stanley Ketchel, Eder Jofre, Tommy Loughran, Tommy Gibbons.

    Tier V
    Julio Cesar Chavez, Ruben Olivares, Alexis Arguello, Jose Napoles, Emile Griffith, Jack Britton, Carlos Monzon, Marvin Hagler, Jimmy Bivins, Tommy Ryan, Jimmy Wilde.

    Tier VI
    Mike Gibbons, Evander Holyfield, Fighting Harada, Michael Spinks, Wilfredo Gomez, Thomas Hearns, Carlos Ortiz, Ike Williams, Jimmy Wilde, Rocky Marciano, Young Corbett.

    Tier VII
    Ted Kid Lewis, Carlos Zarate, Jack Dempsey (np), Luis Manuel Rodriguez, Bernard Hopkins, Floyd Mayweather, Manny Pacquiao, Salvador Sanchez.

    Tier VIII
    Oscar De La Hoya, Sammy Angott, Miguel Canto, Harold Johnson, Manuel Ortiz, Dick Tiger, Lloyd Marshall.

    What about these guys? (Holding)
    Abe Attell, Fritzie Zivic,Pascual Perez, Larry Holmes, Bob Foster, Panama Al Brown, Benny Lynch, Teddy Yarosz, Jimmy Driscoll, Kid Norfolk.
     
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  6. Flea Man

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    A victory for YC3 makes me feel all warm inside.
     
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  7. McGrain

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    Yeah, you really love that guy i had no idea.

    What did you think of the film?
     
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  8. Flea Man

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    I won't lie, I was slightly underwhelmed by him on there BUT both looked relatively 'modern' (good styles clash) and the fact it even showed up made me giddy with glee.
     
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  9. Flea Man

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    What do you think of the case I made for Saldivar>Sanchez above?
     
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  10. McGrain

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    I thought he looked pretty good. He certainly had the measure of Fields in a major, major way. Mean shouthpaw cross.
     
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  11. McGrain

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    Well i want ot wait for Salidvar to be introduced (i did always plan to introduce him, see my chat with Drew) before I consider it. When I introduce it, maybe re-post? Also, i'd like to see a case in isolation from Sanchez who is problem for a lot of people and will probably have to be moved down once we have 110 names and that.
     
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  12. Flea Man

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    Yeah pretty good sums it up for me but I went in with expectations of being blown away. No biggie.
     
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  13. Flea Man

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    Sound.
     
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  14. McGrain

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    Sure, but where should he be? I could see him in IX but I was also thinking maybe put him up to VIII alongisde Manuel Ortiz.
     
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  15. McGrain

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    **** it, VII i think for Att.

    Tier VIITed Kid Lewis, Carlos Zarate, Jack Dempsey (np), Luis Manuel Rodriguez, Bernard Hopkins, Floyd Mayweather, Manny Pacquiao, Salvador Sanchez.
     
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