The Top 100 Pound for Pound All-Time Greats

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  1. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Tits, yes.


    I kind of think of him as the opposite of Whitaker. Whitaker made it look like he was having fun. Villasana kind of made it look like it didn't matter.
     
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  2. Flea Man

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    Again, I'm not discussing Marquez.

    Holmes has more recognisable lumps than Lynch has top class flys, but it's easy to forget that a lot of guys Lynch fought that look like bog standard domestic opposition where a lot better than they look with a quick check on boxrec.

    Saying that, with Warnock proving difficult for him (perfect example though he was world class also) I'll give Holmes the nod.

    And Pete Herman.

    So it's down to Holmes, Herman and McCallum. How d'ya like them apples? EDIT: By the criteria of this thread and not my own **** Holmes off.
     
    Flea Man, Feb 21, 2013
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  3. lora

    lora Fighting Zapata Full Member

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    Marquez would be the one i'd be most sure about having McCallum above.JMM is about on par with nelson though for me.I'd pick Azumah to beat him more often than not, mind you.Marquez a bit too combo and exchange oriented to win in a shootout against Nelson's own accurate, heavier combo's and greater durability.Would need to be 80s Nelson though and i'd be more confident at feather than 130
     
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  4. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Congratulations, you just earned your fighter a bump to Tier IX.*





























    Where's he's to be ranked below Nelson ;)
     
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  5. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    :lol: missed that.
     
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  6. Flea Man

    Flea Man มวยสากล Full Member

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    You've seen his fight with Fenech right?

    BTW I actually do think Villasana looked bothered in the second Nelson fight but more down to Nelson's dominance and clowning rather than what he was being hit with (probably)
     
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  7. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Tier I

    1) San Langford
    2) Harry Greb
    3) Ray Robinson
    4) Henry Armstrong
    5) Bob Fitzsimmons
    6) Ezzard Charles
    7) Muhammad Ali
    Benny Leonard

    Tier II
    Joe Gans, Mickey Walker, Archie Moore, Roberto Duran, Packey McFarland, Joe Louis, Willie Pep, Sugar Ray Leonard.

    Tier III
    George Dixon, Joe Walcott, Charley Burley, Holman Williams, Barney Ross, Tony Canzoneri, Jimmy McLarnin, Sandy Saddler.

    Tier IV
    Gene Tunney, Pernell Whitaker, Roy Jones, Terry McGovern, Billy Conn, Kid Gavilan, Stanley Ketchel, Eder Jofre, Tommy Loughran, Tommy Gibbons.

    Tier V
    Julio Cesar Chavez, Ruben Olivares, Alexis Arguello, Jose Napoles, Emile Griffith, Jack Britton, Carlos Monzon, Marvin Hagler, Jimmy Bivins, Tommy Ryan, Jimmy Wilde.

    Tier VI
    Mike Gibbons, Evander Holyfield, Fighting Harada, Michael Spinks, Thomas Hearns, Carlos Ortiz, Ike Williams, Jimmy Wilde, Rocky Marciano, Young Corbett.

    Tier VII
    Ted Kid Lewis, Carlos Zarate, Luis Manuel Rodriguez, Bernard Hopkins, Floyd Mayweather, Manny Pacquiao, Salvador Sanchez, Abe Attell, Wilfredo Gomez, Freddie Steele, Vincente Saldivar.

    Tier VIII
    Oscar De La Hoya, Sammy Angott, Miguel Canto, Harold Johnson, Manuel Ortiz, Dick Tiger, Lloyd Marshall, Freddie Welsh, Jack Dempsey (np), Jim Driscoll.

    Tier IX
    Fritzie Zivic, Pascual Perez, Bob Foster, Panama Al Brown, Azumah Nelson, Mike McCallum.

    Tier X
    Larry Holmes, Benny Lynch, Juan Manuel Marquez, Sammy Mendell, Pete Herman.

    What about these guys? (Holding)
    Kid Norfolk, James Toney,
     
    McGrain, Feb 21, 2013
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  8. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    I've seen ALL FIGHTS :twisted:

    Weird, having another heavyweight in there.
     
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  9. Flea Man

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    I didn't even notice Krieger there and no I'm not well versed on him either.
     
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  10. turbotime

    turbotime Hall Of Famer Full Member

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    :lol:


    Hell, I've seen the Greb/Walker bar fight. Take that.
     
    turbotime, Feb 21, 2013
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  11. Flea Man

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    Neither of us has!

    Lora probably has.
     
    Flea Man, Feb 21, 2013
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  12. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    OK, here are some questions and if you read them, just answer them. HELP ME.

    Sonny Liston, Lennox Lewis or Joe Frazier?

    Teddy Yarosz or Fred Apostolini?

    Jack Berg or Joe Calzaghe?

    Erik Morales or Marco Antonio Barrera?

    Jack "Twin" Sullivan, Charles Kid McCoy or Philadelphia Jack O'Brien?

    Wilfredo Benitez or Nico Locche?
     
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  13. Mr Butt

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    Yeah villasana hit hard had a great chin hit low more times than golota on acid
     
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  14. turbotime

    turbotime Hall Of Famer Full Member

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    Lewis
    Yarosz
    Zaggy
    Morales
    ****...dunno.
    Locche
     
    turbotime, Feb 21, 2013
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  15. Vic-JofreBRASIL

    Vic-JofreBRASIL Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    -Lewis based on dominance, consistency, H2H monster, Frazier has the better win among those 3 though, not enough IMO to be ahead of Lewis.

    -I would vote Apostoli, but tbh I can´t give my opinion since I´ve no knowledge on Yarosz, I know he was great but I can make a case against someone I don´t know....

    -Berg based on resume.....
    -Morales, both are close in every aspect imo, the difference is Morales victory over PAcquiao.
    -Can´t say since I don´t know Twin Sullivan and O´Brien too well...McCoy is certainy underrated.
    -Locche, based on consistency, and is the more skilled guy...
     
    Vic-JofreBRASIL, Feb 21, 2013
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