The Top 100 Pound for Pound All-Time Greats

Ty was the man. I hear he once choked out a man and his wife simultaneously while laying down a perfect drag bunt. A bad dude.

Ear buds. You'll time him like that.

 

I need to find some camouflaged ones or something. Can't get caught using a performance enhancement.

 

Where the **** is LMR anyway?! Don't be tellin' me he's behind Griffith bish :nono

 

How about beating the man who KTFO Griffith in a round and being Griffith's superior. Title aside LMR's resume is better. He was more skilled also.

Shame to write LMR off just because Griffith beat Benvenuti and LMR didn't.

Also, LMR>Salvador Sanchez by quite a stretch.

 

**** all?! **** all? Are you shitting me? It's not all about titles, look at the scalps.

**** all is an out there mindset if that's what we're talking about. He got the better of a series with a fighter that good P4P that for me, especially considering the high esteem you hold Griffith in, only cements the view.

I care not for ESB polls by the way.

 

but Griffith is gay surley that merits automatically dropping him down about two tiers due to the disgusting factor.

 

Fantastic logic

 

I have serious doubts about Manuel Ortiz belonging, a bit too unknown to me as far as actually having seen him fight against numerous styles.Just never been quite sold on the 40's bantams from general research and reading.Not the strongest era by far from as much as i can glean and he still lost numerous non-title fights.

Get him out of there for Watanabe or someone.Every list needs a totally left field "come at me, bud" pick for character.

 

Rodriguez beat a who's who of 60s middleweight contenders.He actually did a lot in the division.Problem is the benvunuti fight was a dire punch and grab fest and he got horribly mangled, so it's always going to hold him back a bit.I think he had lost a bit by then though.

Griffith on the other hand just kept working away and his decline was a very slow one.

 

Also, the idea of Louis as a superior or equal overall fighter to Napoles, Duran Hagler, Carlos Ortiz, Jofre and numerous other boxer-punchers on that list is a far fetched one to me.Switch him with any one who are on a lower tier imo.Joe Belongs but not at the very top couple of tiers.

It's not like you can say "well he might not be as complete but he's an unpredictable awkward force of nature who needs no varied dimensions" the man was as textbook and methodical as it comes.He won through steady application of superior textbook precision aided by great power.Nothing fancy or out of the ordinary, just good sound skills and really heavy hands.

So how can he beat fighters who are also capable of that to a very high level but who box better, defend better, pick punches equally or better, are more durable, can slug\mix up punching style more often and are mostly faster overall with much stronger legs\more versatile base(except slowfre).How can he rate higher when most all had extended title runs as well.

He won't beat them.He'll take more than he's giving out, have the moment of exchanges dictated upon him through superior footwork\outside boxing skill and more often than not lack the durability and significant power edge to turns things around through sheer punching when he's not getting the better of things on the cards.In fact i see more often than not it'll be him soaking up too much punishment, getting worn down and stopped.

Louis should be next to Arguello imo.The two are almost the same fighter anyway.:yep Both might be as good as any in the art of throwing quality punches, but neither are the benchmark for complete textbook box-punching.

 

Inform on the fact that both Gans and B. Leonard have far greater depth of resume (not that far from Greb's if at all), and were far superior boxers to Ali? Like I said, I see no point wasting my time on things like this. Could be expected from somebody new to boxing history, but from McGrain?