The top 2 all-time in a division facing each other

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  1. Jel

    Jel Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Obviously this is subjective but how many examples are there of the top 2 best all-time fighters in any weight division (strawweight all the way to heavyweight) facing each other?

    I can think of maybe a couple of possible examples but interested to hear other people's thoughts.
     
  2. 70sFan865

    70sFan865 Active Member Full Member

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    Ezzard Charles vs Archie Moore
    Gene Tunney vs Harry Greb

    These two are the first that came to my mind. A wildcard is Bob Fitzsimmons vs Jack Dempsey, as Jack was probably the best P4P fighter ever until Fitzsimmons.
     
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  3. Jel

    Jel Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Ok, I hadn't thought of that. I mean, I thought of Charles-Moore (the 2 best light-heavyweights ever) and I also thought of Greb-Tunney (arguably the two best light-heavyweights until Charles and Moore) but Dempsey-Fitzsimmons is an interesting thought. Again, was thinking the two best of all-time rather than the two best up to that point in history but I like that idea too.
     
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  4. JohnThomas1

    JohnThomas1 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Pep and Saddler sure weren't a million miles off. Absolutely.
     
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  5. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft Youngest Ezzard Charles Fan Ever Full Member

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    Could make the case that James Toney and Roy Jones are two best H2H SMWs, I'm grasping at straws but I can't think of any ones that haven't already been said

    It's really very rare
     
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  6. Tin_Ribs

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    Robinson / Gavilan was the first I thought. Obviously Moore/Charles and Pep/Saddler are good shouts. Roman/Watanabe at superfly. Maybe Chang/Zapata at lightfly but that's highly debatable and not set in stone.
     
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    Tonto62 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    No, they are good picks!
     
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  8. Jel

    Jel Well-Known Member Full Member

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    The two that I thought had the strongest argument were Charles-Moore and Pep-Saddler.
     
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    emallini Boxing Junkie booted Full Member

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    Ali vs Foreman
     
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  10. Jel

    Jel Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Robinson-Gavilan has a potential argument. Robinson is most people's number 1 and Gavilan has a claim to the number 2 spot, although I don't personally have him that high.

    Roman-Watanabe is a legit shout too.
     
  11. Boilermaker

    Boilermaker Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Bob Fitzsimmons vs James J Jeffries is a decent chance as well.

    I don t think that Ali vs Foreman is completely crazy.

    What about Henry Armstrong v Sugar Ray Robinson?

    If you didnt rate John L Sullivan very highly, Peter Jackson v Jim Corbett was a definite chance.

    There has actually been a few more than i ever thought possible.
     
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  12. Boilermaker

    Boilermaker Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Would Joe Louis vs Ezzard charles qualify with the Greatest Heavyweight vs Greatest Light heavyweight champion.
    Using the same theory, some people would have considered Mike Tyson vs Michael Spinks as well.
    Hagler vs Duran is similar.
    There is quite a few that would qualify under this method depending on your opinion of who is the greatest.
     
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  13. Boilermaker

    Boilermaker Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Just another angle to take this, but when Bob Fitzsimmons fought George Gardner, they were pretty much the only two light heavyweight champions so technically they could qualify. And by the same logic, wasnt the Sugar Ray Leonard Donny Lalonde fight the first ever super middleweight championship, meaning technically these two qualified as well. This line of thinking opens up quite a few surprising contenders.
     
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  14. George Crowcroft

    George Crowcroft Youngest Ezzard Charles Fan Ever Full Member

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    Leonard vs Hearns?
     
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  15. DJN16

    DJN16 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Armstrong was shot by the time he boxed Robinson however as 2 boxers who both arguably could be p4p the best of all time, there has probably never been more bigger names in the ring together in history.
     
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