The top 20 heavyweight jabs of all time.

Not having a pop M but two tall men [for their divisions] who had great jabs but did not utilise their heights when delivering them would be 6 '6" Terrell who fought bent over from the waist,and Bob Foster 6' 3" who jabbed from the hip upwards.

 

I explained that in the short part of my post you chose to quote. I dont believe he gets the same extension and snap that a Holmes, Liston or even Lewis got due to him not rolling the shoulder the way they did.

I think Wlads jab is made to look better and is effective due to the fact that his opposition are not particularly adept at using the jab themselves, nor are they busy or well schooled in the art of blocking, parrying and slipping

I think it is a decent jab in the context of the top 20 all time jabs at heavyweight not one i personally think is exceptional.

 

Im not saying it doesnt belong in this company im saying in the context of the top 20 of all time, it doesnt head any of the categories which we are rating in my opinion.
Ali
Liston
Foreman
Holmes
Lewis
Louis
Tyson
Patterson
Tunney
Charles
Bowe

There is 10 or so guys there who i think have better jabs, hence in this company, yes i believe its decent. It belongs in the 20 but not in the top 5 or so where i would expect to find "exceptional"

Golota is another recent fighter with a jab worth a mention as top 20

 

Maybe it might be wise to wait until Wlad actually beats a very good fighter ,before heaping too many laurels on him?

 

I think Holmes jab is probably as good as it gets ,Louis's was quick short and jolting ,Liston's heavy and teeth crunching ,Ali's fast ,and accurate ,but Larry's is maybe the bench mark?

 

What does that even mean, rolling the shoulder? The jab is not supposed to be a power punch, though Wlad's has plenty of force behind it. Rewatch some of his bouts and see for yourself, or check these pics:

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I don't think Louis had as much trouble landing his jab as you're making him out to do. But he did have limited footspeed which put his jab-effectiveness back a bit against movers. I don't know if that's a category. The same goes for Liston, of course.


But yeah, few had a better jab than Ali. The only thing that really sets Ali's jab back is that he wasn't a boxer by the books. If jabbing went with the flow of his mind, then he threw one. When he wanted to do other things, he did other things. The complete opposite of for instance Wlad, who is very robotic but also very effective with it.

I can't really put it into words well, but i have the impression that Ali did whatever felt right and he couldn't care less if that involved not jabbing or not doing body work. A bit like Louis Armstrong or a young Bobby Fischer. A true virtuoso but he did what sprung to mind and that makes him hard to rate in technical ability or separate categories.

I wouldn't rank all of those over Wlad in terms of jabs. Bowe was easily outjabbed by Holyfield whenever he stuck to it, despite the size and reach advantage. Golota did so as well, who i agree has a great jab. As for Patterson, i wouldn't say he made that much use of the jab, and as a 5'10" who fights from a peek-a-boo style, his jab is hardly a match dictator or even changer, unlike Wlad's.

 

He had no trouble busting up charles at age 36 with his jab. He also closed Billy Conns eye and won the first 3 rounds with his jab alone. He also closed Max Schmelings eye with his jab.

 

Your pictures actually illustrate my point. Rolling the shoulder means at nearly full extension the left shoulder (orthodox stance) rolls slightly in and forward, this gives a little more extension, it also twists the fist on impact, a reason Ali for example cut people, something Dundee has mentioned more than once. More importantly it also brings the shoulder in front of the chin protecting it from a counter right hand or jab, and creates torque in the body to throw ones own right hand.
Your photos show Wlad has his chin hanging out and is not really in a position to throw a right due to lunging

On Patterson, i think he and Tyson both had very good jabs that are overlooked

As i have said I think Wlad has a jab worthy of mention, i personally however rate others higher

 

Um, based on those pictures, how could he twist the shoulder even further for more leverage?? It's already to the max. Plus, the jab is not a power punch. Look at how effective Liston's thudding jab was against Ali and Machen when he couldn't land it.


But if you believe that Patterson and Tyson are more likely to outjab someone than Wlad, more power to you.

 

Wlad has a GREAT jab. It's by far his best punch.

 

Great work...!!!!deal:deal

 

You have no clue what you talking about.