The Top 20 HW List is Complete

*shrug*

That's because Louis has a wide range of guys of weights on his wall- he killed the powerful giants and he caught the small, smarter guys with the exception of Charles... It stands out less that way. I didn't say that these guys weren't great-they were fantastic fighters and their straps and longevity guarantee that... But it is something that hurts Rocky H2H in my opinion, that he didn't fight a lot of good big HW competition.

Hah! That's good. The Cubs suck too much to ever deserve someone like The Rock!

 

as an experiment, if you replaced "marciano" with "wlad klitschko", how much of that wouldn't be true? obviously omit the fights with louis, walcott, moore and charles but much like marciano wlad is cleaning out his era and "thats really all you can ask". wlad has fought guys ranked number 1, not his fault they aren't all that good. wlad is "fac[ing] the best of his era, you cant ask any more from the guy." marciano is better than wlad but his competition is often justified for being the best in a relatively more era, same as it is today

 

When Wlad retires, I would feel the same way about him also.

He might get in the top 8 or so also.
I dont rank Wald because he is still active. If he goes on and beats Haye, cleans out the rest of the division, I think Wlad would earn major top ten points.

What Wlad lacks is not rematching all his losses. Were Marciano rematch all his close fights.

 

good post and good counterpoints. dempseys career though is often defined by unfilmed reports of his fights with clumsy giants. fulton was tall and had power but i think he's overrated by a win over langford. again, dempsey had skills for sure and was a monster in his prime but simply a monster who didn't prove it against many or any great fighters. the greatest fighters he fought were either too small (gibbons), nut shotted (sharkey) or outclassed him (tunney). on terms of reputation and reports, he's tops. on terms of objective results, i don't see a high ranking at all. if he wasn't part of the roaring 20s, the pinnacle of sports in america, he wouldn't be remembered so fondly. the fact that he was part of the first million dollar gate, destroyed giants and was around with seabiscuit, babe ruth and bobby jones gave him the aura of rose coloured nostalgia that comes with being part of the golden era of sports. drop him in another decade, i think he's remember differently

 

absolutely and unlike others, rematches with his conquerors were possible for the most part

 

Reznick, could you tot up all the original lists to see who got the nearest on points 1-20, not to pick the best poster, but the CONSENSUS poster, down to the most contrary poster?!

 

I don't think that any fighters position on that list is hard to defend.

 

I hope you put the video in a new, separate thread... I'm gonna wait.

 

Actually a better list than most. Except i would have squezzed Bowe in there and put Holyfield and Tyson higher.

 

Foreman seems a bit high, other than that I can't really argue with the picks.