im trying to make a top 100 pound for pound and thought a good way to start is to get the top 20 in each weight and i was wondering if you guys could help me by giving me your top 20-30 from each weight
Here are most of the fighters I consider to be at the top of their class around their general peak weight in no order: HW: Muhammad Ali, Joe Louis, Larry Holmes, Lennox Lewis, Jack Johnson, Rocky Marciano, Sonny Liston, Mike Tyson, George Foreman, Joe Frazier, Jack Dempsey, Harry Wills, Evander Holyfield LHW: Ezzard Charles, Archie Moore, Harold Johnson, Bob Foster, Michael Spinks, Lloyd Marshall, Jimmy Bivins, Matthew Saad Muhammad, Victor Galindez, Billy Conn, Tommy Loughran, Jack Dillon, Maxie Rosenbloom, John Henry Lewis, John Conteh, Dwight Muhammad Qawi, Eddie Mustafa Muhammad, Roy Jones Jr., Joe Calzaghe, Bob Fitzsimmons, Sam Langford MW: Harry Greb, Stanley Ketchell, Tiger Flowers, Mickey Walker, Charley Burley, Tony Zale, Marcel Cerdan, Jake LaMotta, Gene Fullmer, Carlos Monzon, Bernard Hopkins, Marvin Hagler, Dick Tiger, Mike McCallum, Eddie Booker WW: Jack Britton, Ted "Kid" Lewis, Holman Williams, Cocoa Kid, Young Corbett III, Fritzie Zivic, Ray Robinson, Kid Gavilan, Carmen Basilio, Emile Griffith, Jose Napoles, Luis Manuel Rodriguez, Ray Leonard, Donald Curry, Felix Trinidad, Oscar De La Hoya, Wilfred Benitez, Thomas Hearns LW: Joe Gans, Battling Nelson, Benny Leonard, Tony Canzoneri, Barney Ross, Jimmy McLarnin, Lou Ambers, Henry Armstrong, Sammy Angott, Beau Jack, Bob Montgomery, Ike Williams, Carlos Ortiz, Ismael Maguna, Ken Buchanan, Roberto Duran, Alexis Arguello, Julio Cesar Chavez, Pernell Whitaker, Floyd Mayweather Jr., Flash Elorde, FW: Young Griffo, George Dixon, Terry McGovern, Young Corbett II, Abe Attell, Johnny Kilbane, Johnny Dundee, Benny Bass, Willie Pep, Sandy Saddler, Vicente Saldivar, Salvador Sanchez, Ernesto Marcel, Wilfredo Gomez, Azumah Nelson, Eusebio Pedroza BW: Panama Al Brown, Manuel Ortiz, Raul Macias, Eder Jofre, Fighting Harada, Ruben Olivares, Carlos Zarate, Orlando Canizales, Johnny Tapia, Jiro Watanabe, Nana Konadu, Khaosai Galaxy, Gilberto Roman, Santos Laciar, Sung-Kil Moon FlyW: Jimmy Wilde, Pancho Villa, Fidel LaBarba, Benny Lynch, Pascual Perez, Hiroyuki Ebihara, Miguel Canto, Yuri Arbachakov, Mark Johnson, Masao Ohba, Hilario Zapata, Yoko Gushiken, Ricardo Lopez, Jung-Koo Chang
lol cheers for that Pea dont worry im still looking for footage to show you tht pep had a better jab than Pea, just you wait
Not to be a stickler, but you do realize that you're basically the only one who believes that, Pep fans included? I've seen all of the footage (and more, apparently) that you have, so it's not as if I'm missing something. Compare the two side by side. Whitaker's jab was the more versatile and efficient weapon, consistently, even if Pep did have an underrated jab. There's a difference between having a very good, underrated jab and having arguably the most efficient jab ever.
you probably are right ive been watching some more Pep and its not like how i remember but its still pretty good and close to Whittakers i would edge towards Pea jab now but i still think Pep would beat him but my argument about the jabs are that Peps jab is at its best agaionst a taller man (Pea)
Pea has the best jab of all time IMO. Pea, no place for Pryor? I know he didn't have a very deep resume but I know you really rate him, surprised. Very good choices by Pea there, as always. Would be interested to see your top 20 or top 100 list. Mine needs re-thinking. I might be able to conjure up a top 20 130 lb list or 122 list for you, my ordering and reasons might help you out. **** knows how Pea managed to create such a definitive list in (I'm assuming) a small amount of time but I ain't got the time to conjure up anything at the moment. It would require serious thought but wouldn't probably differ much from Pea's, whose list looks pretty comprehensive.
just fire away man, im looking to get afew opinions then make a pool of 25-30 then narrow it down to a top 20 which should help make a top 100 hows the dvds coming on you got them all back
Yeah, put Pryor in there among the Lightweights. He was simply one that slipped my mind. There are probably quite a few others as well.
I noticed you missed out Pacquiao. Is that because you don't believe he fits into a top 20 of a weight class due to jumping weight a lot?
I don't quite know where to place his prime weight to be honest. I'd say post-Featherweight, but on the other hand I don't like his chances against the great Lightweights. Either way, he's a top 100 shoo-in at this stage.
I agree. While I don't believe he has a strong enough resume to be in the top 20 of any original weight class, he's definitely accomplished enough overall to be comfortably within the top 100 of all time.
Pea you did the old-school divisons, but do you really rate Calzaghe as a LHW? He didn't really accomplish nothing..
I was only using the 8 original weight classes. He'd fall into the LHW category, just as Jones would, because they did the majority of their best work above 160 and were natural Light Heavies.
