I should have included it in the Hon Mentions section I think. I would stop short of entering it in the 50 though. When I first purchased that fight, I knew McCallum won, but that was all. I was hoping he was going to produce a performance to match that of Kalambay in the first fight, and wrest back control between the two. For me, he failed to do so. I suppose that's why I view it a bit negatively, though obviously that isn't very fair, because Kalambay was just a bad match-up for him, and a very very talented and determined opponent. Any other comments friend?
Next time I make a list called "The Top 50 Official Draws Which Were Really Wins By My Card", I will make sure I include it. Promise.
I'll answer your first point first: Because Carbajal's all-round performance was not great. And your second point: No. I explained this in the blurb following the body of the list. I personally cannot consider a fight to be a great win, if I don't even think it was in fact a real win. Therefore, it is not possible, it makes no sense at all, for me to include (for example) Trinidad-De La Hoya as a great win, when I strongly believe Oscar won the fight by a clear margin (4 pts), therefore I don't even consider it a win, never mind a great one. Thanks for taking the time to respond. Even if you disagree, I hope I explained myself a little here. :good
Yeah, this pretty much sums me up, and sums up the reason for writing this thread. For me sitting watching fights, making notes, comparing performances, and attempting to attach values to wins, etc, are pure pleasure. I love the sport, therefore I love thinking and writing about it. :good
I explained my omission of Benn-McClellan on the first page. I think Nigel was absolutely magnificent that night, but I opted not to include it. That was my choice, I stick by it. Please read the list again - Eubank beating Benn is quite clearly in there. No, I don't believe Hamed-Johnson belongs here.
Read the comments attached to that inclusion: This content is protected This content is protected This content is protected These three factors each coloured separately, undoubtedly make this a superb win. And there was a thread on the Classic a while back featuring this win, I commented on it and so did a few other Classic posters: http://www.eastsideboxing.com/forum/showthread.php?t=252874 It is clear that people who have actually seen Sasakul fight, rate him highly.
I have it as an honourable mention. After discussing this fight with sweet_scientist, I looked into Arce's career a bit more, watched as much of him as I could. I'm not convinced by him, at all. Thus, it didn't make the cut, despite it being a fantastic achievement by Carbajal. JMO amigo.
Popkins, I give you props for the time you put into the thread, I wouldnt really argue too much with any of it but out of curiosity.... where would you rank Whitaker-Chavez had the judges got the decision correct ? (Keep in mind, Pea would have been the 1st to defeat the man most seen as the top p4p fighter in the past 5 or so yrs & 1 of the best ever)
Though if Pea-Oscar had been scored how I thought it should (to Pernell by 1 point), then that would surely rival Pea-JCC, considering the Pea who faced the unbeaten prime Oscar was a clearly declined Pea from the version who boxed the ears off JCC.
Great list. I'd have Jones-Toney at #2, I'd have DM's win over Hill FAR higher, and there should be a bit more love for the little guys (e.g., Ayala-Tapia should probably be there somewhere) but that's all nitpicking.
:dead:dead:dead:dead:dead the following sentence sums you up much better fragile popkins is a 115lb delusional ring magazine / hbo puppett, desperate to make american friends by hyping up proven banned anabolic steroid disgraces at every opportunity :deal
Popkins, first of all I must say I admire the work you put into this. Great effort man, well done! :good That said, I would definitely make some adjustments. First off, I think Michalczewski's win over Hill is rated at least 15 places too low. It ought to crack the top 20 or top 25 at the least, yet you have it at way down at #39. You write "the cynic would say that Jones beat Hill easier immediately after this fight", well that is not quite entirely true. Hill took an 11 month layoff and was very rusty (and a year older) for the Jones fight. Not only that, but before the body shot KO, Hill was actually winning rounds (some even had him ahead 2-1 against Jones). Also the fight was held above the LHW limit, as Hill had developed weight problems as a result of his layoff. He could not even make the catch weight on his first or second attempts, needing to drain himself just to get there at all. Overall, it was a great win for Michalczewski over the guy who would have been Ring champion if the title existed at the time (it didn't, but Hill was the Ring #1). Secondly, I believe Chavez's win over Taylor is rated too highly. Chavez had 3x the experience of Taylor, and not only that, but his performance was not even close to a B+. He was outboxed for 9 out of 11 rounds, and the "TKO" at the end is arguably the most questionable stoppage of all time. Chavez was a bad referee decision away from a points loss that night.