The Top fighter of the Century

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  1. JohnThomas1

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    1999 list, and have a Captain Cook at the judging panel!!!!!

    As voted by a five-member panel of experts assembled by Associated Press. First-place votes are in parenthesis; points based on 10 points for a first-place vote down to one point for a 10th-place vote. When a division has five selections, a first-place vote is worth five points. POUND-FOR-POUND


    1 Sugar Ray Robinson (2) 45
    2 Muhammad Ali (2) 38
    3 Henry Armstrong 30
    4 Joe Louis 29
    5 Willie Pep (1) 27
    6 Jack Dempsey 20
    7 Roberto Duran 14
    8 Benny Leonard 13
    9 Billy Conn 12
    10 Harry Greb 7

    HEAVYWEIGHTS
    1 Muhammad Ali (2) 46
    2 Joe Louis (2) 45
    3 Rocky Marciano (1) 38
    4 Jack Dempsey 28
    5= Jack Johnson 22
    5= Larry Holmes 22
    7 Sonny Liston 14
    8 Joe Frazier 13
    9= *Sam Langford 8 9= Jersey Joe Walcott 8

    LIGHT HEAVYWEIGHTS
    1 Archie Moore (2) 41
    2 Billy Conn (2) 34
    3 *Ezzard Charles (1) 29
    4 Roy Jones Jnr 26
    5= *Jimmy Bivins 24
    5= Bob Foster 24
    7 Harold Johnson 21
    8= Philadelphia Jack O'Brien 13
    8= *Tiger Jack Fox 13
    10 Maxie Rosenbloom 11

    MIDDLEWEIGHTS
    1 Sugar Ray Robinson (4) 49
    2 Harry Greb (1) 42
    3 Marvin Hagler 28
    4 Mickey Walker 26
    5 Carlos Monzon 21
    6 *Charley Burley 20
    7 Jake La Motta 19
    8 Stanley Ketchel 15
    9 Marcel Cerdan 12
    10 Tony Zale 11

    WELTERWEIGHTS
    1 Sugar Ray Robinson (4) 40
    2 Henry Armstrong (1) 31
    3 Sugar Ray Leonard 28
    4 Jose Napoles 23
    5 Barney Ross 21
    6 Carmen Basilio 19
    7 Mickey Walker 16
    8 Emile Griffith 15
    9 Kid Gavilan 14
    10 Luis Rodriguez 12

    JUNIOR WELTERWEIGHTS (Five Selections)
    1 Aaron Pryor (1) 14
    2 Barney Ross (2) 13
    3 Tony Canzoneri 11
    4 Wilfred Benitez (1) 10
    5 Antonio Cervantes 7
    Jack "Kid" Berg received the other first place, but got no other points

    LIGHTWEIGHTS
    1 Roberto Duran (3) 41
    2 Benny Leonard 37
    3 Tony Canzoneri 33
    4 Ike Williams 28
    5 Joe Gans (2) 21
    6= Lou Ambers 20 6= Alexis Arguello 20
    8 Julio Cesar Chavez 13
    9 Beau Jack 12
    10 Carlos Ortiz 7

    JUNIOR LIGHTWEIGHTS (Five Selections)
    1 Alexis Arguello (2) 19
    2 Kid Chocolate (1) 16
    3 Julio Cesar Chavez (1) 12
    4 Johnny Dundee (1) 8
    5 Sandy Saddler 6

    FEATHERWEIGHTS
    1 Willie Pep (3) 47
    2 Sandy Saddler (1) 42
    3 Salvador Sanchez 28
    4 Tony Canzoneri 17
    5 Chalky Wright 16
    6= Henry Armstrong (1) 15
    6= Vicente Saldivar 15
    8= Wilfredo Gomez 13
    8= Azumah Nelson 13
    10 Abe Attell 10

    BANTAMWEIGHTS
    1= Ruben Olivares 36
    1= Carlos Zarate (1) 36
    3 Eder Jofre (1) 33
    4 Panama Al Brown (1) 27
    5 Manuel Ortiz (1) 18
    6= Lionel Rose 15
    6= Fighting Harada 15
    8 Alfonso Zamora 14
    9 Sixto Escobar (1) 13
    10 Jimmy Carruthers 9

    FLYWEIGHTS
    1= Miguel Canto (1) 26
    1= Pancho Villa 26
    3 Jimmy Wilde (2) 25
    4 Fidel La Barba (1) 24
    5 Frankie Genaro 15
    6 Small Montana 13
    7 Charchai Chionoi 12
    8 Ricardo Lopez 11
    9= Corporal Izzy Schwartz 10
    9= Jackie Patterson 10


    * fighter was never a champion in division in which he is ranked.
    one panelist declined to vote for the flyweight division.

    THE PANELISTS
    Members of the panel that selected the greatest boxers of the century for Associated Press

    ANGELO DUNDEE
    Best known as the trainer of Muhammad Ali and Sugar Ray Leonard. Dundee has also worked with several other champions, including the welterweight and middleweight Carmen Basilio, the welterweight Jose Napoles, the light heavyweight Willie Pastrano, the featherweight Sugar Ramos and the welterweight Luis Rodriguez. Revered as one of boxing's great cut men.

    LOU DUVA
    The long-time promoter, manager and trainer. Duva has worked with such champions as the heavyweights Evander Holyfield and Michael Moorer, the junior welterweight Meldrick Taylor, and Pernell Whitaker, a champion in four weight classes.

    DON CHARGIN
    The long-time promoter who is based in California. Also has worked as a second and manager. Given a second's licence in 1945 and promoted first show in 1950.

    EDDIE FUTCH
    The Detroit Golden Gloves lightweight champion in 1933, Futch trained at same gym as Joe Louis. Often sparred with Louis when Louis needed speed work. The Hall of Famer trained 19 world champions, including the heavyweight Joe Frazier, the welterweight Don Jordan, the heavyweight Larry Holmes, the light heavyweight Michael Spinks, Alexis Arguello, a champion in three weight classes, and the welterweight Marlon Starling.

    GIL CLANCY
    Trained and managed Emile Griffith, the welterweight and middleweight champion. Also guided the careers of the middleweight champion Rodrigo Valdez and the heavyweight contender Jerry Quarry, and briefly trained George Foreman. Serves as a boxing adviser to Oscar De La Hoya. In 1978- 80, was the matchmaker for Madison Square Garden. Has worked as a boxing analyst for several TV networks. Is a member of the International Boxing Hall of Fame.
     
  2. JohnThomas1

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    Pretty funny Spinks can't make the top 10 light heavies :lol:
     
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    turpinr Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    marciano No.3 at heavy.no benny lynch in the flyweights.no no no
     
  5. fists of fury

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    Why oh why is Angelo Dundee even allowed to participate in these things? You know he's going to give Ali the #1 slot, no matter what.
     
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    turpinr Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    should have dug nat fleicsher up ,he'd have had bold bloody bendigo in it
     
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    Roy Jones at number 4 at 175...is this a joke?
     
  8. turpinr

    turpinr Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    frankie genaro No.5 flyweight puhlease.he wouldn't have been british champ in britain in the 30's
     
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    Nice to see Whitaker doing so well at lightweight.
     
  10. Unforgiven

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    That's actually a reasonable placing.
    Conn was outweighed by 25-30 pounds when he fought Joe Louis and gave Louis one of his hardest fights. Louis was in his prime. So if Louis was good at his weight, then Conn must be pretty good pound-for-pound.
    No one beat him at light-heavyweight or heavyweight apart from Joe Louis. And apart from a novice fight when he was 17, no one stopped him apart from Joe Louis.
     
  11. turpinr

    turpinr Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    the light heavy placings don't actually look too bad imo if they were shuffled about a bit.
     
  12. JohnThomas1

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    Lets put him #9 P4P for a losing effort :huh

    It's a horrific placing.
     
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    Without Michael Spinks?

    They are shyte without him at the very least.
     
  14. turpinr

    turpinr Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    :patsch:patschdidn't see that.in that case one of them has to go to make room for spinks
    philly jack O'brien sorry mate
     
  15. Unforgiven

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    Joe Louis weighed 200 pounds for the Conn fight, and who would you rank over Louis at 200 pounds ?
    Conn proved himself great pound-for-pound by the fact that only Louis beat him when he was matured, and he beat everyone else he faced ( a long list of good and great fighters). Louis outweighed him 25 or 30 pounds.
    Some of the guys above him on the list never gave up hardly any weight to any of their opponents, nevermind giving a prime ATG of Louis stature and with 20-30 pounds advantage a tough fight.
    A losing effort isn't enough by itself to put him up there, but without the losses to Louis, Conn is still unbeaten at light-heavy and heavy.
    If Aaron Pryor, for example, had stepped in the ring with a prime Marvin Hagler weighing 139 pounds to Hagler's 159 and took the lead and outboxed him for the best part of 13 rounds before being KO'd there's no way that wouldn't be cause to consider him significantly greater pound-for-pound than he'd rate without it. IMO.

    Not saying I'd have Conn in my top 10, but it's reasonable, and I might not even have him in my top 30 - and that goes for others on the list too.