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  1. the cobra

    the cobra Awesomeizationism! Full Member

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    Fortunately for everyone here, we're willing to take the difficult tasks.
     
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  2. Dempsey1238

    Dempsey1238 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    In Style, Charles look better, but Gus had to be doing something right to rein for 8 years.

    At first I thought about Conn, than I though nahh, he jump up into heavyweight, and didnt control the divsion when he gave up the crown to fight Louis in 41.

    Gus step up and rule the 40's. Charles was mostly going to Middleweight, to Lightheavyweight to at last Heavyweight. Dont think he stay there long to be the force in lightheavyweight imo. sure he beat Bivins, and Moore, and others. But Most like Burley was in the middleweights.

    Lightheayweight soley, I think Gus's 8 years on top should out weight Charles rise and decend to the heavyweights.
     
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  3. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    Heavyweight

    1880: Sullivan
    1890: Corbett
    1900: Johnson
    1910: Johnson
    1920: Dempsey
    1930: Louis (due to his amount of defences in 3 years: 8)
    1940: Louis
    1950: Marciano
    1960: Ali
    1970: Ali
    1980: Holmes
    1990: Lewis
    2000: W. Klitschko

    Cruiserweight:

    1980: Holyfield
    1990: Wamba or J.C Gomez
    2000: Haye

    Light Heavyweight

    1900: O' Brien
    1910: Dillon
    1920: Loughran
    1930: J-H Lewis
    1940: Charles
    1950: Moore
    1960: Torres
    1970: Foster
    1980: Spinks
    1990: Jones or Michaelweski had similar level of opposition but DM was linear champ so ill favour him but Jones was better)
    2000: Dawson

    Super Middleweight

    1980: C-K Park
    1990: Benn
    2000: Calzaghe

    Middleweight:

    1880: Dempsey
    1890: Fitzsimmons
    1900: Ketchell
    1910: O' Dowd
    1920: Greb
    1930: Steele
    1940: Zale
    1950: Robinson
    1960: Tiger
    1970: Monzon
    1980: Hagler
    1990: Hopkins
    2000: Hopkins

    Light Middleweight

    1960: Mazzinghi
    1970: Wajima
    1980: McCallum (close with Hearns)
    1990: Norris
    2000: Wright

    Welterweight

    1890: Smith
    1900: Walcott
    1910: Britton
    1920: Walker
    1930: Armstrong (close with Ross but a win over Ross and amount of defences shade it)
    1940: Robinson
    1950: Gavilan
    1960: Griffith and Rodriguez (cant split them)
    1970: Napoles
    1980: Don Curry (shades leonard by longer reign)
    1990: Whittaker
    2000: Cotto (just shades it over the rest)

    Light Welterweight

    1920: Callaghan
    1930: Ross (just shades Canzoneri beause of his win over him)
    1940: Weekly
    (1950s the LWW title was not competed for till 1959)
    1960: Loi
    1970: Cervantez
    1980: Pryor
    1990: Chavez
    2000: Tszyu

    Lightweight

    1890: Lavigne
    1900: Gans
    1910: Woldgast (just shades Welsh with numbe of defences and length of reign)
    1920: Leonard
    1930: Canzoneri (shades it through title reign and defences although he lost to Ross and Ambers he was more dominant)
    1940: Williams
    1950: Brown
    1960: Ortiz
    1970: Duran
    1980: Arguello
    1990: Whittaker
    2000: Casamoyer

    Super Featherweight

    1920: Morgan
    1930: Kid chocolate
    1940: Saddler (inactive period though)
    1950: Saddler (inactive period though)
    1960: Elorde
    1970: Arguello
    1980: Chavez
    1990: Nelson (shades Mayweather through length of reign and defences)
    2000: Mayweather

    Featherweight

    1890: Dixon
    1900: Attel (including his loss to Driscoll, iknow it was a NC though)
    1910: Kilbane (shades Driscoll through caliber of opponents)
    1920: Kaplin
    1930: Miller (just shades Battelino)
    1940: Pep
    1950: Saddler
    1960: Saldivar
    1970: Arguello (just shades Lopez and Marcel)
    1980: Pedroza (shades Sanchez due to longer dominance and more defences)
    1990: Espinosa
    2000: Marquez

    Super Bantamweight

    1970: Gomez
    1980: Zaragoza (through longer time of dominance of Gomez and better oppsition)
    1990: Morales
    2000: Larios

    Bantamweight

    1890: Palmer
    1900: Walsh
    1910: Herman (shades Willaims by having a victory over him)
    1920: Taylor
    1930: Brown
    1940: Ortiz
    1950: Carruthers
    1960: Harada (shades Jofre due to 2 victories over him)
    1970: Zarate
    1980: Pintor
    1990: Canizales
    2000: Marquez

    Super Flyweight

    1980: Wantanabe
    1990: Moon
    2000: Montiel

    Flyweight

    1910: Wilde
    1920: Villa
    1930: Lynch
    1940: Monaghan
    1950: Perez
    1960: Kingpetch
    1970: Canto
    1980: Zapata
    1990: dont know enough
    2000: Donaire

    Light Flyweight

    1970: Gushiken
    1980: Yuh
    1990: Gonzalez
    2000: Calderon

    Minimumweight

    1990: Lopez
    2000: Calderon
     
    GPater11093, Jun 12, 2009
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  4. Dempsey1238

    Dempsey1238 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    So why is Burns over Jeff or even Johnson?
     
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  5. the cobra

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    If an argument for Lesnevich to be rated higher than Charles exists, it is a very, very weak one.

    After his time in service, Charles never lost to a Lightheavyweight, and he beat Moore 3x, Bivins 3x, Marshall 2x, Maxim 5x, Elmer Ray (a heavyweight Charles beat while weighing 175), Oakland Billy Smith 2x, etc.

    Lesnevich's wins pale in comparison, and he lost frequently to top rated opponents at 175. The only thing Gus has is that he got a shot at the title and won it, but they're worlds apart otherwise.
     
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  6. Bill Butcher

    Bill Butcher Erik`El Terrible`Morales Full Member

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    I gave you a little start Pat, there`s no way I can fill in all that, I`ll be here all day :lol:
     
    Bill Butcher, Jun 12, 2009
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  7. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    thanks for that i overlooked them 2 sorry i think Johnson would take it ill change that


    also just some intresting things came up

    Only 4 men in my list was the best in 2 adjoining decades at the same weight and that was Louis, Johnson, Ali and Saddler. And Saddler also was the best at Featherweight in the 50s.

    Pernell Whittaker, Sandy Saddler and Alexis Arguello were the best at 2 weights in the same decade.

    Julio Cesar Chavez was the best at SFW in the 1980s but in the 1990s he jumped 2 weights to be the best at LWW.

    Arguello was the best in 3 weights within 2 decades
     
    GPater11093, Jun 12, 2009
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  8. Jear

    Jear Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Dempsey as the best of the 20s seems a little bit of tough on Wills in particular but Tunney also.
    Dempsey went 7-2? through the 20s, while he had reasonably good opponents in this time his resume during this period pales in comparison to Wills and his inactivity must count against him during this decade
     
    Jear, Jun 12, 2009
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  9. DINAMITA

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    We're awesomeizing this thread up awesome-style. :good
     
    DINAMITA, Jun 13, 2009
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  10. Minotauro

    Minotauro Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I gotta agree with this I don't see how Gus can he ranked higher then Charles. Not to mention Gus lost to the best light heavy's he fought during that time in Bivins and Conn.
     
    Minotauro, Jun 13, 2009
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  11. the cobra

    the cobra Awesomeizationism! Full Member

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    It's a powerful thing.
     
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