the trainers in todays game.. are some of them ******ed.? seriously

It's like when Meldrick Taylor's corner told him he was behind against Chavez. Arguably that piece of news (which wasn't true) cost Taylor a win.
George Benton was a good trainer no doubt about it, but saying that wasn't the greatest idea.

I'm not familiar with the Calzaghe-Kessler fight, but in the Hopkins-Pavlik fight, I thought that Pavlik wasn't really getting any constructive feedback either. Certainly, nothing he didn't already know.
But sometimes it's not really about the actual advice a corner gives, but how they give it.
Maybe his trainer should have slapped his face and told him to get off his butt and do something - anything - to get back into the fight. It really depends on the trainer-fighter relationship.

Ray Leonard hated a hyper trainer who tended to shout. Vinny Paz loved that type of guy.

 

I remember Pepe Correa shouting and screaming at Lennox Lewis - whereas when he went to Manny Steward the only time there were raised voices was in the Tyson fight.

 

And then there was John Davenport who said that all the stupid people in the world live in England - when he was training Lewis.

Nice way to build up that trainer-fighter relationship.

 

I remember watching that fight, and coming to the end of every round from 3 onwards and thinking to myself "why do they keep on showing repeats of the advice from the corner to Pavlik from the end of round 2." It was terrible cornerwork, not even so much the advice itself, but the fact that Loew repeated it over and over again, when you could see that Pavlik hadn't a ****ing chance of implementing the double-jab plan. He should have known when to say "Alright Kelly, you just ain't getting the jab working tonight, so we are gonna try something different; this is what you are gonna do....(new advice)"

 

I dunno, trainers get to know the fighters really well, they know how they respond to particular scenarios, they know when the fighters get ticked off, or when they seem to just cruise around. Maybe some of these trainers gave those advices expecting the fighter to react in the way it will favor the way the fight is going for them..get it? kinda mental.

 

2 of the worst ever are Papa Trinidad and Yoel Judah. I really shouldn't have to explain why either.

 

In the Hopkins/Pavlik fight it would have been nice to hear something as basic as .... "He's moving constantly to your left. Anticipate, step left, and then throw." We heard nothing like that. As I pointed out on another thread, I've seen two fights Pavlik won by doing exactly what his corner told him to. In both those cases the instructions came from Miguel Diaz, not Jack Leow.

 

jack loew definitely

 

So what would have your great advice been?? This isnt stupid advice at all, the whole reason to double jab is to keep your opponent off balance, if your first one aint landing then maybe youre gonna catch him with the second. If you dont know this then maybe you should learn the basics. Check back to old fights and realise this is good advice at this early stage of the fight. The difference is Pavlik ignored this advice and look what happen. No ******edness in this at all. Cheers

 

Jack "Plan A, B, C and D" Leow tops the list.