The Transnational Boxing Rankings

He wants you to stop recognising Canelo as champ due to a year and half of inactivity and moving up to SMW.

After a year and half of MW inactivity and moving up to SMW, Canelo informs you he doesn't consider himself to be champion so you stop recognising him.

Of course qwerty had a problem with that.

 

Given that he's not champion, the "championship" is then decided by 1 v 2, if my reading of the rules is correct.

And given that 1 just beat 2 a couple of weeks back, wouldn't GGG now be the champion ?

Or would he be denied the distinction on the technical grounds that the championship was not officially vacant when the fight took place ?

But even there, the only reason it's vacant now is because Canelo declared himself not to be the champion, and since nothing regarding Canelo's status has changed since GGG/Jacobs, presumably the Mexican would have made the same declaration had he been asked just prior to the fight.


It's a bit like Pac not being the champion despite being the number 1 who beat the number 2 (at the time) Bradley, on account of having been retired for about a week or so, before returning.

 

This is where rules are a bit silly.

The ruling is, I'm 11th April he was asked if he was champion. He said no. So he vacated his championship on 11th April.

 

True.

It illustrates that even the best conceived rules and methodologies can fail to anticipate every possible eventuality with credibility. Some flexibility and scope for 'executive decision' is needed, even if it presents a slippery slope.

In my book, the 'purest' of the ranking bodies is the TNBR, but I don't always hold to its positions either.

From my stance, based on the convention of #1 beating the #2, Pac is the champ at 147, GGG at 160 and the winner of Anthony-Wlad will be the HW champ.

 

I can't be bothered dedicating any of my time to it any more tbh, i just bow completely to TBRB and let them decide for me.

 

I think it's time for the TNBR to rank a top 15 in each weight class.

The world's top experts can surely extend the rankings by adding five more and come to agreement on who those five should be in each weight class.

With so many beltholderes -- as many as four different guys per division -- only six or maybe seven CONTENDERS are ranked in each division. A top 15 would give us a fair debating point on whether a champion has been facing true top-10 contenders (since unifications among the champions are hard to make for a variety of reasons, and especially hard in divisions where there's not enough money to make it attractive).

Food for thought.

 

Definitely a little bit silly.

And embarrassing.

As of this evening, we have, on the TBRB site, Joshua at 1 and Wlad at 2 and the championship OPEN, even though these two just fought and we had a winner.

Also, at MW as of this evening, we have GGG at 1 and Jacobs at 2 and the championship OPEN, even though these two just fought and we had a winner.


Time to give the board a little more discretion to deal with these kinds of situations.

 

I do agree.

 

Yeah, they want to be taken seriously as THE AUTHORITY on this stuff and ignore hte obvious. SMH.

 

It is frustrating now that we have 1v2 at HW but no crowned champion and 1 Vs former champ at MW but no crowned champion.

I like the TBRB and think theyre the best out there, but two consecutive blows like this should encourage discussion about whether or not their rule set is the correct one.

For instance was it a mistake dropping Wlad from the rankings? If that hadn't been done we'd have a champ.

Was it a mistake dropping Canelo as champ? If that hadn't been done we'd have a champ.

Strict rules are good, but common sense needs to take place as well imo.

Examples of common sense:

Robinson vs Bell was 1v3 but Robinson had been ducked 4 years and all the belts were on the line so he was considered champ.

Holmes Vs Ali was 1 Vs former champ but Ali had only recently retired and then renounced it again to return to action so when Holmes won he was considered champ.

There would be no criticism for having the right to discretion when it comes to crowning champs.

I still think the Baird are the best out there, but they could be better with more leeway.

 

Ok some common sense with these updates now.

Canelo has moved from 3 to 2 now so him Vs Golovkin is for all the marbles, thank God for that.

At HW all we need is Wlad to activate his rematch clause and we have a fight there for all the marbles also.

 

Yes that's good in that we will have a "champ" but nothing happened with either Jacobs or Canelo that would explain the change.

And objectively, comparing both men at MW, it's hard to see how Canelo could be ranked, as of right now, ahead of Jacobs.

Jacobs has way more at the weight.

I think most (rightly IMO) see Joshua as the champ regardless of whether or not he rematches. Then again, the big Gypsy lad might disagree.


The answer to the conundrum is to give the governing body of TBRB some leeway, some discretion in dealing with these kinds of situations, rather than leaving them hamstrung by their own rules.

 

Seems they've used discretion to move Canelo up to number 2, as you say there's no other justification. I'm pretty certain if a rematch with Golovkin and Jacobs was signed they would have kept Jacobs number 2.

And again, Wlad should have kept his ranking really, but to appease that situation they've inserted him at number 1. If the post match interview said a fight with Ortiz was signed I bet Wlad would have come in at number 3.

These two situations have been messy, no doubt. And I agree that most see Joshua as champ anyways now. I mean by the TBRB rules Holmes would never have been the man at HW, Robinson wouldn't have been the man at WW.

It's the best we have but that's still far from perfect.

Discretionary leeway would be good, but look at the backlash received by the Ring when they made Wlad v Chagaev for the belt as Wlad v Vitali was impossible to make.

 

I believe a prayer to Nat Fleischer might be in order for the high priests of TBRB to obtain guidance on these matters. His holy relics can be found on this website at fair prices.

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