The Transnational Boxing Rankings

alright I rewatched your rounds and I can see the case for Cloud in those rounds.....I think you are might be subtracting from Campillo because he showboated but hell, they had to look at Cloud and were thinking of stopping it in the 11th due to cuts and Cloud basically had one great shot in the 11th, Campillo showboated in the 12th but even with that landed some nice shots, are you scoring cloud moving forward and not landing and trying to make the fight, I get that, and I do that, but really, I am of the opinion that scoring even rounds is a good idea, a preferred idea, this silly notion that we must choose one or the other is absurd, really, both the 11th and the 12th favored Campillo but yes you can make a case for Cloud in both rounds, however, the whole case for Cloud getting a draw is a very shaky one, however, I must concede it IS not outside of the realm of reason, so I must concede if you are of that opinion than in your eyes a Cloud victory is not a robbery, however, you still shouldn't base your rankings as if the guy won, when it is still a much fairer and reasonable notion that he not only lost but lost cleanly and clearly.

Therefore, its ridiculous to have Cloud ranked above Campillo and hence, the guy that REALLY beat Campillo, Kovalev.

I mean, your ENTIRE ranking system is at the utter MERCY of corrupt judging. Think about that for a minute. If one of those judges actually scored the fight more reasonably your entire ranking system would be turned upside down because Campillo would have won.

So, therefore, your entire ranking system is polluted by the very thing that we want to get away from when we make our own ranking systems, which is BS judging. When making your own ranking system you should not give so much credence to judging when it is this bad.

I really want you to think about this: One judge goes the other way and your rankings are shuffled around. You should instead, just have everyone in your group evaluate the fights and weigh them accordingly. Its absolutely silly to have a guy that clearly got beaten given credit for clearly winning.

 

At the very least Koralev should ahead of Cloud.

Champ: Dawson
1. Hopkins
2. Pascal
3. Koralev
4. Cloud

 

I like these 10 names, but can't agree with Lebedev at 5th. Lebedev deserved to get the decision vrs. Huck. Since then, Huck has taken on great opposition and performed well, but not as dominately as Lebedev has against slightly lesser opposition. I don't believe Hernandez's "wins" over Cunningham were convincing enough to crown him either. And the performance vrs. Ross raises more doubts. If anyone is 'the man' at cruiserweight, it's Lebedev, especially if/when he beats Guillermo Jones.

Wlodarczyk should be 4th tops.

1) Lebedev
2) Huck
3) YPH
4) Wlod
5) Afolabi
6) Ross
7) Tarver
8) Kayode
9) Arslan
10) Alexeev

 

Cruiser is a tough one to rank.

There really isnt much to chose between the top 5, I think you could make a good argument for anyone of Huck, YPH or Lebedev as #1. Wlod & Ola are interchangable at #4-5 as well imo.

Below that it gets even murkier; Tarver is suspended for steroids & Kayode has plans to move up to HW. Ross, Arslan & Palacios were all unlucky in title fights plus the likes of Masternek & Chakhkiev are on the rise.

 

Its still my favourite division, though lacking major stars its highly competitive & regularly produces excellent fights.

2013 has been poor so far & Don King getting involved doesnt bode well for the immediate future.

 

Well McGrain you are alright with me, you put a lot of thought into this and I respect that, although I think a fight that, if you stretch it to the limit, could possibly be a draw, yet a much more reasonable judgement is a 4 point victory for the defeated man, although I think its unreasonable to tally it up as a victory for the guy who appeared to lose, I get your thinking.

But you did basically admit that your system is at the mercy of what these guys decide, to some extent, because you are acknowledging them as having been there to see it live and allowing that to over ride what virtually everyone else saw. Thats fine. But I can get that kind of rankings from a million places.

So yes we do part ways. I can't see this working for you over the long run though because it won't have a strong relevance to hardcore fans when you explain to them that their own reasoning and own eyes are being trumped by poor decisions that you must afford for.

btw, just because you can come up with a draw if you give cloud the benefit of the doubt in several rounds, does not in my mind make it close. You are acting like the 11th and 12th rounds were very very tight, and the truth is most people would agree that Campillo won them both, I'm only saying that I can see your side of it. I'm a reasonable person. You have to be very Cloudesque to come up with that draw, most neutral unaffected people would not only call this fight a Campillo victory, but two, or even four point won, clearly. That is my point. Boxing writers, fighters, all over the net, twitter, were telling us this was a robbery, and a major one.

And you are actually factoring this into your rankings as a W for Campillo.

But anyways I get what you are doing, I just don't know who this kind of thing is going to appeal to.

 

I'd probably go

Dawson
Hopkins
Pascal
Koralev
Cloud
Campillo
Cleverly
Bellew
Shumenov
Braemer

Something like that anyways. Cloud-Campillo is tricky. I had Campillo winning but he just got absolutely destroyed by someone who came from nowhere whereas Cloud lost a competitive fight to someone ranked above him anyways.

 

nice job getting rid of tajbert

 

this is how I have it McGrain. Braehmer needs to be in the top 10 for me. Cloud should go below Campillo. Were pretty much the same elsewhere.

Champion Vacant
1. Chad Dawson
2. Bernard Hopkins
3. Jean Pascal
4. Sergie Kolarov
5. Nathan Cleverly
6. Beibut Shumenov
7. Jurgan Braehmer
8. Gabrio Campillo
9. Tavoris Cloud
10. Karo Murat


Champion Chad Dawson
1. Bernard Hopkins
2. Tavoris Cloud
3. Jean Pascal
4. Sergey Kovalev
5. Nathan Cleverly
6. Beibut Shumenov
7. Gabriel Campillo
8. Karo Murat
9. Issac Chilemba
10. Tony Bellew