The Transnational Boxing Rankings

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by McGrain, Dec 13, 2012.


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  1. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Yeah, I get that, but it sounded like Stonehands89 were referring to "Donaire @ feather" like some kind of suppositional future action not yet triggered when in reality, it was triggered, in November.

    He fought Darchinyan in their rematch at featherweight in November.

    :?
     
    IntentionalButt, Mar 6, 2014
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  2. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Not to speak for Stonie, but I assume he means in the Transnational rankings rather than the division.
     
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  3. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    ...but wasn't he responding to me talking about which division...

    I'm so confused. :lol:
     
    IntentionalButt, Mar 6, 2014
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  4. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Donaire is going to EXIT one divisional ranking by fighting his second fight outwith that division...

    ...and ENTER a different set of rankings should he defeat his next opponent convincingly.
     
    McGrain, Mar 6, 2014
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  5. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Ah, penny drops, it was the 2-fight minimum for the exit that I was missing. Cheers.
     
    IntentionalButt, Mar 6, 2014
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  6. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    A guy can get hooked if he says

    "Christ, i'm knackered, if I have to take those extra 5lbs off again i might die hell with this i'm off to lightweight if you see me try to line up another shot in that godforsaken division again you have my permission to shoot me.

    Goodnight, Cleveland."

    too.
     
    McGrain, Mar 6, 2014
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  7. qwertyblahblah

    qwertyblahblah Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You guys really like to have it both ways. You say removing a fighter from a division is only based on what actually happens, yet you allow merely "announcing" a bout to keep an inactive fighter ranked. According to the TBRB, a fighter could hold his ranking if he announced then withdrew from a fight every month. More critically, only the most marquee boxers like Mayweather, Pacquiao, Canelo, Klitschko announce bouts months in advance, while less marquee fighters fight with less than a month's notice. In fact, as I've previously pointed out, this shows that the TBRB is indeed biased towards visibility and prestige. Inactivity both at a division and generally should be based only on what "occurs in the real world".
     
    qwertyblahblah, Mar 6, 2014
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  8. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Sweet Jesus.

    Yes.

    No. Made up in your head, like most of the other posts you've made in this thread.

    Most ranked fighters have fights slated well in advance. So you seem to be saying that fighters who are not ranked will lose their ranking because they don't have fights scheduled :lol:

    I think this would turn into a long night if I wasn't going to ignore you by going to bed.



    We were on ESPN again the other night, how's your rankings coming?
     
    McGrain, Mar 6, 2014
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  9. qwertyblahblah

    qwertyblahblah Boxing Addict Full Member

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    If Miguel Vazquez announced the Shafikov fight with as much notice as Mayweather announces his fights he wouldn't have been removed from your lightweight rankings.
     
    qwertyblahblah, Mar 6, 2014
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  10. qwertyblahblah

    qwertyblahblah Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Another thing... the TBRB's policy of not removing a fighter till he sticks to a decision to move in weight is fair, and essentially why you were correct to not recognise Hernandez as cruiser champion at your inception. Yet your colleague Cliff Rold recognises Hernandez in his Bscene rankings! That a prominent member of your group doesn't accept and promote TBRB champions on the site he writes for but contradicts them suggests that your rankings and method are not authoritative, and damages your credibility.
     
    qwertyblahblah, Mar 6, 2014
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  11. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Right. As per charter. The end result was that Vazquez was ranked differently for a few weeks than he would have been otherwise. Consequences: zero.

    Nonsense. Every member has his or her own view and it's valid. The idea that every member of a thirty strong panel is going to have a uniform view is ludicrous.
     
    McGrain, Mar 6, 2014
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  12. qwertyblahblah

    qwertyblahblah Boxing Addict Full Member

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    One of the problems with The Ring championship that led to the TBRB being formed was their removing Huck when he moved to heavyweight for one fight, which allowed Hernandez-Cunningham to be for their vacant championship. If Rold had Cunningham higher than Huck anyway, fine (though that shows the fatal flaw of using opinion-based rankings to determine lineal champions). But if he followed The Ring in removing Huck from a higher spot his continuing to consider Cunningham champion should be problematic to the TBRB as he'd be accepting a method that you reject on principle.
     
    qwertyblahblah, Mar 6, 2014
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  13. VG_Addict

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    If/when Floyd beats Maidana and unifies the WBC/WBA titles, does he become the lineal welterweight champion?
     
    VG_Addict, Mar 7, 2014
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  14. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Right. Nothing you say really makes sense to me, sorry.

    I can tell you that the reaction to Transnational has been overwhelmingly positive. I can tell you that in our second year we are further on than every single member expected us to be. I can tell you that there has been print and television exposure. I can tell you that you are one of the few people that regularly complains about the rankings and the way they are conducted and I can tell you that most of what you say seem in-cohesive, personal to individual members and very, very sour.

    And I can tell you, absolutely inarguably, that even if you genuinely believe the TBRB to be "bad for boxing" and are not just posturing in favour of your own rankings, which we apparently won't even see for nearly three years, that there are still considerably more damaging targets for you to spend your time criticising. I think your attention is telling.
     
    McGrain, Mar 7, 2014
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  15. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    No.

    As per charter, a new lineal champion is only crowned when the two top ranked contenders in the division meet. Currently that is Mayweather and Timothy Bradley, though it will likely be the winner of the Pacquiao-Bradley II fight:

    http://www.tbrb.org/all-rankings/#147
     
    McGrain, Mar 7, 2014
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