The Transnational Boxing Rankings

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by McGrain, Dec 13, 2012.


  1. lufcrazy

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    If Kovalev destroys Ward, I'll find it nigh on impossible picking someone to beat him.

    If he can prevail a war with Stevenson where he ships serious leather and walks through it I might just have to up that to impossible.
     
  2. drenlou

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    Better said then done. Ward is on a level Kovalev has never seen and vice versa... Its the biggest fight of 2016 if it happens. Stevenson on the other hand is dangerous for a few rounds, but Kovalev is on another level I believe. There's a reason why this fight hasn't happened yet and why Stevenson ran to rival network showtime. He wants no part of Kovalev.
     
  3. McGrain

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    I'd pick him to beat everyone ranked directly above him, but actually he'd probably lose to one of those guys.

    #40 - Glen Johnson
    #39 - Gus Lesnevich
    #38 - Al Gainer

    I think it's fair to make Kovalev a heavy favourite over them.

    #37 - Bernard Hopkins

    I think this would be very, very interesting but in the end, what we've seen probably means you have to pick Kovalev

    #36 - Mickey Walker
    #35 - Chad Dawson

    Would both lose badly

    #34 - Jimmy Slattery

    Give anyone a touch on a good night but Kovalev would likely get him I think.

    #33 - Joey Maxim

    Kovalev would get a decision here I reckon.

    #32 - Eddie Mustafa Muhammad

    Probably the toughest fight for Kovalev in this clutch, but I think he could engender that passivity Muhammad could be guilty of to take a decision earned late.

    #31 - Antonio Tarver

    Kovalev would get him.


    So my perception, at least, is that Kovalev is a lot better than his ATG standing allows currently.
     
  4. McGrain

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    That's too hard. You would need to see it play out.
     
  5. Rumsfeld

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    Good stuff, McGrain.

    :thumbsup
     
  6. lufcrazy

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    It's so hard to say. Kovalev is the epitome of consistency. Aside from one terrible round against Boone he's pretty much had his own way in his professional career.

    But if he does beat Stevenson and Ward, I think he's a proven ATG.
     
  7. McGrain

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    Really? Because i'm not convinced it would even make him top twenty. If he retired, say. He might, but I don't think he'd be an inarguable lock. Unless Ward went on to dominate 175 in his wake or something.
     
  8. lufcrazy

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    We have different criteria mate.

    I'll word it in your terms.

    "If Kovalev beats Stevenson and Ward in dominant fashion I would have him number 1 h2h"
     
  9. McGrain

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    Number one no ****? Holy guacamole...so Foster, Spinks, Charles?
     
  10. lufcrazy

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    The styles overcome to see him beat Stevenson and Ward, I have to conclude that his power is legit, his chin is solid and he cannot be outmanoeuvred. That is assuming you consider Ward the real deal.

    The only question left is stamina in my mind, whether he'd wilt in a competitive fight over 10 hard rounds. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt if he beats those two.

    I mean how many LHW greats beat someone as talented as Andre Ward?
     
  11. lufcrazy

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    In fact my biggest concern wouldn't be those 3 it would be Conn, who schooled Louis for 12 before getting brave. If he can do that to Louis he can probably do that to Sergey.

    Charles is an enigma and beating prime Burley, prime Moore and prime Walcott puts him in contention to beat any fighter in history ever. Foster has no reason to be favoured if he beats Ward and Stevenson imo.
     
  12. McGrain

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    I would agree with all of your first post, I think Kovalev is a beast and I really think the wins you describe would put him in extremely good company.

    But if you're using resume of styles to inform excellence head to head what if you beat: Lloyd Marshall, Archie Moore, Jimmy Bivins and Teddy Yarosz?

    What if you beat Eddie Muhammad, Yaqui Lopez, Marvin Johnson, and Dwight Qawi?

    Because those fighters represent some crazy mix of styles and provided sterner tests to the attributes in question than Stevenson and Ward.
     
  13. lufcrazy

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    Charles had a tougher mix but not strictly at LHW. His skills p4p were clearly proven though.

    Spinks, not for me. I don't see that as tougher than Cleverly, Hopkins, Stevenson, Ward, Pascal.
     
  14. McGrain

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    The guys I listed were all at LHW or 2lbs above.

    You think that Cleverly (?!), Hopkins, Stevenson, Ward and Pascal are harder to beat than Eddie Muhammad, Yaqui Lopez, Marvin Johnson, and Dwight Qawi?

    I think all those guys would beat all of those guys apart from Ward who is completely unproven at the weight. I don't think Cleverly's name belongs in this type of company at all, and I'd argue Pascal's inclusion too.
     
  15. lufcrazy

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    I know the guys you listed were. I'm saying whether Charles beats a man at 160 or 200 it still demonstrates his fighting ability and imo the depth of talent he faced over his full career paints a picture of am excellent p4p fighter who was able to overwhelm MW opposition, boxer punch LHW opposition and out speed HW opposition. The closest style match he had to Kovalev was probably old Louis, which is why I was referring to his non LHW opposition.

    I don't think they're harder to beat, I just don't think it's an easier gauntlet of opposition. Emerging through either set if fighers in dominant fashion screams of elite ability.