The Transnational Boxing Rankings

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  1. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    I personally am against the ranking of Ward p4p, until he beats someone impressive. He just hasn't done enough to prove himself in this type of company since he was stripped for inactivity.
     
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  2. MVC!

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    How did you rank him after the Chad Dawson victory, Mc?
     
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  3. FartWristedBum

    FartWristedBum I walk this Earth like a bum Full Member

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    Top man McGeee, reasoned responses appreciated!:good

    Funnily enough, I think DeGale is the only Brit fighter better than Fury in an all-round-skill sense (I rate Brook as great technically but a more athletic-based style).

    It's slightly erroneous IMO to say Riggers exhibits "ridiculous p4p skill" and Fury, in utterly out-thinking and dismantling a p4p top 5 man, "hasn't".
    Bigger guys move slower...that's just physics....p4p should take this into account a bit more IMO. Fury basically shut-down the game! It's not like he won on a lucky shot.

    If he beats Wilder/Pov/Joshua would you really think he'd suddenly become more worthy (in a p4p sense) than he is now? He could beat these guys in 1st gear and, IMO, has blatantly proved it.

    You right doe, you right.....there's no Brits on the list though so....um.....:|:rant:crybaby
     
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  4. McGrain

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    Roger that.

    He didn't though - he proved himself a better pure boxer than most were giving him credit for I think, but it wasn't a performance laden with dazzling p4p ability. I think he did out-think Wlad, I think that's the right word and in a sense that's as impressive as Rigo's dazzling display but if you always move a fighter who beats an old fighter who was in the p4p rankings, your p4p rankings are going to start looking very odd very quickly. This is because old guys get taken. It happens; it just does.

    But I do think that if Fury recreates that performance he is in the argument.

    Of course. That's why p4p lists so rarely have guys with one great victory upon them. Your p4p criteria clearly is about who you think is best at a given time regardless of resume, and that's fine, there are lots of people like that and there's nothing wrong with it. Mine (and TBRB's) is about who has proven themselves the best by actually doing it in the ring.

    So Ward, who is almost unquestionably among the most talented fighters on the planet p4p doesn't make the list because he has done so little recently.
     
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  5. McGrain

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  6. FartWristedBum

    FartWristedBum I walk this Earth like a bum Full Member

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    And so it should be!:good
    I'm not sooooo sure about the 'regardless of resume' line but I'm totally with you. Got to have some rules or it's a free-for-all esp with p4p rankings.

    I still think Fury's remaining record excluding Wlad is better than OK. Who else at the weight (apart from Wlad who is the lesser fighter) has a better one? I guess the perceived 'weak comp' in the division is keeping him out of the top 10 p4p and that's totally fair enough.

    Thing is though, it seems like fighting this 'weak comp' was enough to gradually climb old Wlad steadily up the p4p rankings but if Fury (or other contenders) beat similar comp over the same time span, it's seen as a weak resume!?!?
    I guess if you've paid the cost to be the boss, everyone else can jog on till they've done better.
     
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  7. Nay_Sayer

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  8. Nay_Sayer

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    You have Golovkin @ #6 in your "P4P" list. Please tell me which TOMATO CAN Golovkin knocked over that you considered an "impressive" victory...
     
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  9. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    I find him impressive every time i watch him.

    And ranked fighters aren't TOMATO CANS. Those two things are absolutely not interchangeable in any way.
     
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  10. McGrain

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    "Not losing" doesn't make you a p4p fighter. If you tread water, don't fight etc., you slip.

    Most of all, if a fighter is stripped of his ranking he is not handed it back as soon as he fights. He has to earn it back. You disagree; that's fine.
     
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  11. Nay_Sayer

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    Did you just learn that? I bet you're feeling proud of yourself.

    Lol..
     
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  12. Nay_Sayer

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    You have Bumlovkin in your top 10 P4P for essentially having beaten nobody but exclude Ward - who's recent level of opposition has been on par with Bumlovkin's - and your justification is because you find Bumlovkin "impressive" every time you watch him? Excuse me while I...

    LOL

    Jeff Lacy looked like the second coming of Sugar Ray Robinson while he was feasting on the level of opposition Bumlovkin is currently knocking off - and we ALL saw what happened when Lacy finally stepped up to the "A" class.

    So, let me ask you this question: Exactly WHAT has Bumlovkin done to earn a spot on your "P4P" list?

    Personally, I think if Bumlovkin's body work is good enough for a spot on your "P4P" list then Jacobs should be on that list too. Jacobs KO1 over Quillin is better *and* more impressive than anything on Bumlovkin's resume.

    So, where are you going to put Jacobs on your "P4P" list?
     
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  13. Nay_Sayer

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    Not losing doesn't make you a P4P fighter but not beating anyone of note does?

    Exactly HOW does that work?
     
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  14. lufcrazy

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    Put down your crackpipe
     
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  15. cuchulain

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    It's clear that the TNBR would be improved beyond measure if only they had someone of your insight and understanding of the sport making the ranking decisions.

    Maybe we could start petition ?
     
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