The trial of John L Sullivan

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  1. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    Was John L Sullivan good for the sport of boxing discuss
     
  2. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    He was a pioneer.

    He begat the definition of a great heavyweight and despite how we might today perceive him as some crazy brawling lout, the description couldn't be further from the truth.

    For those who take the time to read up on him, well they could only be impressed.

    Pollack's book on him is a gem.
     
  3. Vano-Irons

    Vano-Irons Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    I'm actually looking to get Pollack's book on him. I'm half way through the Fitz book and I think it is amazing, probably the most well researched book I've read
     
  4. Vic-JofreBRASIL

    Vic-JofreBRASIL Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    JLS sounds like a ******* to me.....most of the time, with his racist comments....
     
  5. boxersk

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    IMO Sullivan was good for boxing he was the first gloved champion with 38 wins and one loss, elected to the HOF in 1990 i dont know to much about him i wanna find a good book about him to learn more
     
  6. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    The Pollack biography is the one to beat at the moment.
     
  7. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    He did nothing less than legitimise gloved boxing.

    He was also a drunken racist lout.
     
  8. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    Trying to please both camps there!
     
  9. janitor

    janitor VIP Member Full Member

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    Joking aside, Sullivan was a drunken racist lout, but he was also a far more complex character than most boxing fans think.
     
  10. Joe_MacKenzie

    Joe_MacKenzie Boxing Addict banned

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    John L Sullivan was a great fighter who contributed greatly to making boxing a popular sport.
     
  11. Flea Man

    Flea Man มวยสากล Full Member

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    Apart from the racism, great.
     
  12. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    I'll go with McGrain's compromise answer. He was a great fighter and a racist, drunken lout.

    Also, just a sidenote: as an Irish-American living in an America that hated the Irish almost as much as it hated African Americans, Sullivan faced a fair amount of racism himself. Depending on your viewpoint, this might make Sullivan's own bigotry more or less understandable.

    He certainly didn't come from an ethnically "privileged" Anglo-American background like some of the other racist champs did.
     
  13. Guyfawkes

    Guyfawkes Than who was phone?! Full Member

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    I'd say he was about 60% great heavyweight champ, and 40% rascist drunken lout
     
  14. cross_trainer

    cross_trainer Liston was good, but no "Tire Iron" Jones Full Member

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    Personally, I lean toward 28.3% racist drunken lout, 61.5% great heavyweight champion, and 7.1% guy with an underrated singing voice, with the remaining 3.1% a rounding error.

    I can see an argument for your point of view, though.
     
  15. Steenalized

    Steenalized Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    His greatness outstrips his racism/drunkenness, especially when you consider that he lived well over a century ago.

    Edit: Well, he died less than a century ago, but his title reign was 120 years ago at its end.