The truth about Hepatitis B -- Haye not fighting Chagaev is a disgrace

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  1. shaunster101

    shaunster101 Yido Full Member

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    Right, now you're ****ing with me . . . right?
     
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  2. HMSTempleGarden

    HMSTempleGarden Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    So are the UK and Finnish health authorities doing likewise!?

    and btw that quote says "minimal" not "zero" so there is still a chance that infection can be passed on!
     
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  3. Andrew671

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    her body is not rejecting it, but she is considered a weak responder: not producing enough antibodies. However, this is easy to check with routine tests. Everyone working in the health sciences field, and anyone exposed to blood (i.e. boxers) are required by licensing authorities to have a test after the vaccination which tests for levels of anti-HbSAg antibodies to see whether they're protected against hepatitis B. This tests is ROUTINE. If Haye was licensed by the British Boxing Council he must have had a hep. B shot, and later a blood test to check for immunity.
     
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  4. timeout

    timeout Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Step up David for once in your life.
    Take the vaccine and earn thy mother****ing WBA belt!
     
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  5. groom

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    your coment that chag is infected with aids this is what triggerd arguement.
     
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  6. Andrew671

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    This is of course complete bull****.
    First of all: 90% of people ACUTELY infected with hepatitis B CURE SPONTANEOUSLY. 10% become chronic carriers. These 10% chronic carriers can be treated with interferon alpha, lamivudine, or in combination (as well as some new meds) which produces a 40% cure rate in these chronically infected.
     
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  7. EpsilonAxis

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    ya
     
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  8. groom

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    no need for that
     
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  9. timeout

    timeout Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Zero doesn't exist in life. Only in maths.
    Take the vaccine and man up Haye.
     
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  10. groom

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    thx this is what i'm trying to say. that doctors said he is fit to fight ,but it does not mean he is 100% healthy
     
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  11. Antsu

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    I actually didnt said he has AIDS.

    I said he will think this moment before he ****s someone who has AIDS
     
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  12. HMSTempleGarden

    HMSTempleGarden Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    yes people can have an immunity to it, however there is still no complete cure


    • Interferon Alpha (Intron A) is given by injection several times a week for six months to a year, or sometimes longer. The drug can cause side effects such as flu-like symptoms, depression, and headaches. Approved 1991 and available for both children and adults.

    • Pegylated Interferon (Pegasys) is given by injection once a week usually for six months to a year. The drug can cause side effects such as flu-like symptoms and depression. Approved May 2005 and available only for adults.

    • Lamivudine (Epivir-HBV, Zeffix, or Heptodin) is a pill that is taken once a day, with few side effects, for at least one year or longer. Approved 1998 and available for both children and adults.

    • Adefovir Dipivoxil (Hepsera) is a pill taken once a day, with few side effects, for at least one year or longer. Approved September 2002 for adults. Pediatric clinical trials are in progress.

    • Entecavir (Baraclude) is a pill taken once a day, with few side effects, for at least one year or longer. Approved April 2005 for adults. Pediatric clinical trials are in progress.

    • Telbivudine (Tyzeka, Sebivo) is a pill taken once a day, with few side effects, for at least one year or longer. Approved October 2006 for adults.

    • Tenofovir (Viread) is a pill taken once a day, with few side effects, for at least one year or longer. Approved August 2008 for adults.


    Although the FDA has approved these seven drugs for chronic hepatitis B, they do not provide a complete cure, except in rare cases (a "cure" generally means that a person loses the hepatitis B virus and develops protective surface antibodies).

    Has Chagaev? if he has then why is the BBBoC not licensing him?
     
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  13. Andrew671

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    Again nonsense, because 30-40% of people treated with interferon alpha ALONE are CURED. What do I mean by cured? They become HbE antigen NEGATIVE. The HbE antigen is a marker of replication of the virus in the liver. If there's no replication of the virus in the liver, the blood is not infected with the virus, because the ONLY tissue that can *infected* by hepatitis B is the liver, and the blood is constantly cleared of hepatitis B particles by the kidney.
    Second 30-40% of people become negative with the exam which looks for viral DNA in the blood called PCR.
    Third 30-40% of people develop anti-HbSag antibodies (what you called surface antibodies), which are protective against hepatitis B.
    THEY ARE CURED!

    As for Chagaev his doctors say he's cured, which means he must be among the 40% who respond to the drugs. The BBBC has not ruled yet on his case, as far as I am aware, but Haye is already in negotiations with other fighters: i.e. ducking Chagaev.
     
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  14. gooners!!

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    I kinda glad it aint happening, as Chagaev is MADE for Haye's style.

    Chagaev is too methodical to cut Haye's thinking time down, he would just allow Haye the time and space he needs to move, set up his attacks, exploit him with his superior foot and hand speed, not to mention power.
     
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  15. HMSTempleGarden

    HMSTempleGarden Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I am citing reliable medical sources in my country, unless you are an expert in this field then I know which one I am inclined to believe.

    any other sources I read, be it British or American seem to be saying the same thing also.

    In fact I will send my mother in law and email as well to try and get some further clarification on it.

    however I can't find stats on people who clear the infection spontaneously
     
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