The truth about Lucian Bute vs Andrade 1

20 seconds does not equal 20 count idiot. Referees don't count so fast 1.2.3.4 they count 1...2...3...4...5...6...7...8 You alright?

 

Yawn. Timekeeper ****ed up, ref did a poor job but Bute got up in time and won the fight. Yes you could have stopped the fight a bit earlier, but the KD is a non issue... yet you have dumbasses thinking it was a KO. It's sad, really... some peeps DKSAB.

I'm not replying to people who can't take the time to read.

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THE ARGUMENT:

Lucian Bute was knocked down with two (2) seconds left of the twelfth and final round, not ten (10), as Andrade's trainer Howard Grant would have us believe. Just watch the video and convince yourselves! Eight seconds later, he was up on his feet. No parts of his body except his feet were on the floor and he wasn't hanging helplessly over the ropes either. According to Rule No. 1, therefore, he wasn't down; he was up. Since he was up within eight seconds of being knocked down, he would have beaten the eight (8) count. Since he continued to stay up after he beat the eight (8) count, he would have beaten the ten (10) count too, so, according to Rule No. 3, he couldn't have been knocked out. According to Rule No. 6, the final bell should have ringed as soon as Bute had risen with his hands clear of the floor, six seconds after the end of the three minute period. The main timekeeper failed to ring the bell at this moment, flaunting the rules. The timekeeper prolonged the fight illegally after it was in effect, according to the rules, over. The timekeeper's failure to abide by the rules led to an unwarranted controversy.



THE UNWARRANTED CONTROVERSY:

The referee is not responsible for timekeeping, except according to Rule No.2, after he picks up the count from the knockdown timekeeper, the second timekeeper. Marlon B. Wright, the referee, did not know that Bute had been knocked down two seconds left until the end of the round, because he has no way of knowing how many minutes, tens of seconds or seconds are left in a round, at any point after the starting bell. He can only guess, but it's not his job to do that either. That is why there is a timekeeper – to keep track of time and announce the referee, if appropriate, using the bell, when the round is over.

Had the referee known that Bute had been knocked down with as little as two seconds until the end of the round, he would not have concentrated on Andrade to any extent, but would just have established whether Bute beat the count or not. Since the knockdown occurred two seconds before the end of the fight, Andrade became irrelevant. There was no time left in the round for Bute to get up, get the mandatory eight (8) count, for the fight to be restarted and for Andrade to play a further role in the fight. According to Rule No. 2, the referee, after sending Andrade to the neutral corner, was to pick up the count from the second timekeeper, the knockdown timekeeper, and continue counting. According to Rule No. 6, the main timekeeper was to ring the bell ending the bout as soon as Bute was up on his feet and his hands clear of the floor, as long as Bute had beaten the count, which he did. After ringing the bell, the referee was to invite the judges to give their decision, no knockout having been scored in the fight.

But the timekeeper failed to abide by the rules and failed to ring the bell, so the referee did not know that the bout was over. He must have assumed, reasonably, that since the bell did not ring, there was still time left in the three minute period for the fight to continue. Remember that the referee didn't know at what time during the round the knockdown occurred. He could have assumed that is occurred with ten, fifteen, twenty seconds or even longer left of the three minute round, not, as in the actual case, with two seconds left. In the absence of the timekeeper's final bell, he allowed the bout to continue, when, according to the rules, it had been over the very moment Bute beat the count.

 

And they actually understand boxing quite well, compared with many ESB-members.

 

Gowd bless'em!

 

The difference is, Taylor went down with about 15 secs left on the clock, so there was time left on the clock when he rose (see Mosley Mayorga). In this case Bute went down with 4 secs left, so the fight couldn't have resumed post KD. However, Wright didn't appear to be aware of the clock, he was clearly trying to buy Bute time with the count. Must have not heard the 10 second bell with all the frenzy. But it's interesting how often Chavez Taylor is invoked as an argument for Bute losing, given that it's one of the most infamous and unpopular ref decisions in boxing.

But no doubt Andrade was the moral winner, Bute EVTBY 12 Andrade. He's a standup guy, and unfortunately it's probably the closest he'll have come to a belt. His window of opportunity seems to have closed, I'm not sure he'd beat Stieglitz at this point.

 

Idk men I saw him in a video getting up at 8 or 9, in the fight there were 4 seconds left. :conf

 

If Andrade had been given the win against Bute, he'd have had to give Bute a rematch (morally speaking), and we know what happened in the rematch... so one way or another, Andrade would have lost the belt pretty quickly.

 

He gave him a long count, no doubt the ref was trying to bail him out. But apparently he didn't need to, Bute got up in 8 secs (real count), and while he was in no shape to continue, he didn't need to be. It's the ref's job to be listen for the 10 sec bell, to be ready to step in and break the action at the bell. So an attentive ref would have known the fight was over at that point.

 

But he's had a pretty good career, yet doesn't get to call himself a former world champ. Belts matter to fighters. For one, Andrade would have made a lot more money in the rematch.

 

True. But Andrade wouldn't have been as loved and popular, especially in Canada, if he had been given the win. He would have been notorious, not popular. In the end, though, Andrade, on his best night, wasn't good enough to beat Bute, on his worst night. It was very close, but no cigar. But as thing stand, Andrade will be loved in Canada for the rest of his life.

 

No doubt about who the attraction is, but all Andrade would have to do is play hard to get, and he'd be cashing in big. Bute would be even more desperate for a rematch had he lost, but he wouldn't be calling the shots. See Peterson Khan.

 

Andrade won the fight. The corrupt ref robbed him. End of story.

 

Not sure it's a great comparison. Peterson is American and Khan fought him in America because of US TV...

 

How so? Boxing has rules, a round is 3 minutes, not 3:10.

Also, I take it you support Steele stopping Chavez Taylor, and you'd have supported it even if there was no time left on the clock?