The Truth about Naseem Hamed

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by El Cepillo, Oct 26, 2011.


  1. hent

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    Good article. Hamed at his best was clearly a class above MAB.

    People forget that Hamed Vs Kelly was the Hagler Hearns of featherweight boxing. Kelley had been KOed before but so had Hearns. Augie was a more dangerous guy and bigger puncher than Morales, Barrera all of them guys. None of them wanted it except Augie. Mucullough was a very good fighter and its revisionist to say any different. Hes easily one of Morales' best wins.
     
  2. Clinton

    Clinton Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    It's only because easily the best fighter Hamed ever fought easily embarrassed him.It's not unfair at all.And if you behave like a dick like Hamed did,don't be surprised when people respond accordingly,like they do.
     
  3. Clinton

    Clinton Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Pure unadulterated nonsense.See what I mean all of you people?There is NOBODY on Hamed's resume that would indicate he was better than MAB,forget about his being "clearly a class above" him.:lol:NOTHING and NOBODY and NOT ONE PERFORMANCE.That's just pure nonsense:lol:.Kelley was on his way down when he fought Hamed as shown by the ko loss and 2 draws against nobodies in the 2 1/2 years going into the Hamed fight,BUT NOT ONE HAMED FAN SEEMS TO WANT TO MENTION THIS.And btw,Hearns was stopped in the 14th round against an ATG welter in Leonard in a fight in which Tommy was winning.Kevin was stopped by WHOM before he fought ******* Hamed?Augie Sanchez may or may not have been a bigger puncher than Morales or Barrera,but he never beat an elite and was stretchered out of the ring by far lesser opponents than MAB or Morales.None of them wanted it except Augie:lol::lol:?Then the MAB-Hamed fight never took place,right:lol:?McCullough was a terrific BANTAMWEIGHT that relied on his granite jaw and pressure as he never had a lot of power.And he was not elite at 126.Easily one of Morales' best wins?I never hear anyone say that as they usually mention Pac or MAB.Just another example of a Hamed fan writing down nonsense,as usual.Anyone surprised?
     
  4. Clinton

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    Because he WAS a classless *******.That characteristic is a defining reason why a fighter might be disliked.Floyd Mayweather is a GREAT boxer but I don't like him either simply due to his personality.I have no idea why that would bother you.As far as Hamed's boxing ability is concerned,it's vastly overrated.He had excellent power and speed as well as good reflexes,but his technical skills were non-existent as he was exposed by a technical master that refused to get drawn into an undisciplined Hamed style shootout,thereby exposing Hamed's many flaws.Are you from Carrick?
     
  5. Clinton

    Clinton Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    There was no humor meant in the Carrick question.My best friend Tim Howard is from Carrick,as well as the owner(Paul Mansfield)of my local bar.That's why I asked.I have countless,countless times discussed Hamed's opponents and performances on these boards.If you have ever read any of my contris on this subject,you would have known this to be true.But his opponents were pretty good at best.I never denied he was a good fighter.His power was quite impressive as was his handspeed.His reflexes were good,too.But his technical skills were invisible.He relied on psyching out his opponents and drawing them into undisciplined shootouts in which he thrived.I have written this many,many times.But you'll always see Hamed supporters on these boards write what a great win the Kevin Kelley fight was when that statement is very far from the truth considering Kevin's 1 ko loss and 2 draws against nobodies in the 2 1/2 years going into that fight.Why have you not mentioned that?Hamed was good to very good at best.His supporters would have you believe that he was a great fighter without ever having beaten one,and they ALWAYS make MANY excuses for his loss to MAB.Just read the article that started this thread in the 1st place.
     
  6. PowerPuncher

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    Yes Barrera was better than anyone Hamed had faced but not by quite as much as you make out and pretending Steve Robinson was his second best win is silly. Kelley, Johnson, McColough, Bungu, Medina were all top class when he fought them

    Hamed wasn't as quick, mobile/fleet footed as he was earlier in his career and his training is documented as not being upto scratch. He seemed to underestimate MAB predicting a 4 round KO win and he thought he'd do Morales in about 6. So no MAB didn't beat the best Hamed, he beat a cocky under prepared version, still a great win none the less
     
  7. El Cepillo

    El Cepillo Baddest Man on the Planet Full Member

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    I'm not denying that Hamed may well be a **** outside the ring. The whole driving/crashing/prison thing does suggest that. But the truth is the guy made a mistake and he did his time. We don't know how he feels about it, how much he regrets it, how sorry he is, or if he feels anything like that. We don't know if he does charity work, we have never sat down and had a chat with him, so we are just SPECULATING what kind of man he is outside the wrong.

    The bottom line is that none of that matters, it has zero relevance to his achievements in the ring. Sadly, many many boxers probably behave like ****s outside the ring. How many have been banged up? beat their wives? been involved in crime? are misanthropic sociopaths? Quite a few I suspect.
     
  8. El Cepillo

    El Cepillo Baddest Man on the Planet Full Member

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    This shows me that you didn't actually bother to read the article that you seem to have so much to say about. It says CLEARLY that he wasn't a great fighter.
     
  9. Clinton

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    This thread is simply not true.I don't know why you Hamed fans write this stuff down and expect anyone that's not a Hamed fan to believe this nonsense.Now for the truth:
    Inside of the 2 1/2 years before before Hamed,Kevin Kelley(a fighter that I've always liked)was stopped by Alejandro Gonzalez and drew with 18-8 Tommy Parks and 31-3-2 Clarence Adams.
    Tom Johnson was 33 when he fought hamed and had beaten whom?
    Wayne McCullough(another fighter I'm a fan of)was a terrific BANTAMWEIGHT due to his granite chin,heart and workrate,but was not a terrific featherweight.In fact,in the 3 fights before Hamed,he lost a split decision to 7 loss Daniel Zaragoza,won a split decision against 16 loss Juan Polo Perez,and won a unanimous decision against 9-6 Antonio Oscar Salas-all at ONE HUNDRED TWENTY TWO POUNDS.
    Bungu was not only 33 when he fought Hamed,but in 2 of his 3 fights before Hamed,won a split decision against Ernesto Gray and won a majority decision against Danny Romero at ONE HUNDRED TWENTY TWO POUNDS.
    Medina had 7 losses when he fought Hamed,including a decision loss to 7 loss Espinoza just TWO FIGHTS before fighting Hamed.
    In other words not a single one of the fighters you mentioned were "top class" featherweights when they fought Hamed.Not even close.And no,none of them were anywhere close to MAB's level.As long as you Hamed fans continue to write down that nonsense on these boards in an attempt to build up Hamed's opposition-and therefore his reputation,I'll be there to write down the truth and expose the nonsense.And just for the record,enough with the "cocky under prepared version" bull****.Hamed was ALWAYS cocky and ALWAYS a lazy trainer as he eschewed roadwork,choosing to spar instead.The numerous and constant excuses aren't very accurate,either.
     
  10. Clinton

    Clinton Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    FALSE,you silly,silly person.I read the article.It's the same nonsense you Hamed fans frequently write down while building up your hero's pretty good at best opposition while making countless excuses for him just for his one loss.I'm not just basing my opinions JUST on the article.I'm also basing my opinions on the on record statements like contri #64 by Hent who CLEARLY believes that Hamed was elite.Are you going to write on the record on these boards and deny that there are Hamed fans on these boards that believe he was elite?Are you?
     
  11. Clinton

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    :lol::lol:I'm not the person that started the thread in the 1st place.You know,the person that makes excuses for Hamed and tries to build up his less than stellar opposition:lol:.I personally know of no one that became a boxing fan because of Hamed.Perhaps that's the case where you're from,but not here:lol:.Maybe he created a "mini resurgence" of the sport where you're from,but certainly not here.And the only reason I'm discussing him here is because people have a tendency to write down nonsense concerning Hamed,and the truth needs to be told.Otherwise,when I talk about the featherweights of that era,I talk about the GREAT fighters-like MAB,PAC and Morales:lol:.
     
  12. Clinton

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    :goodCheers,man:good.Mumham Abu!!!
     
  13. Mr. Sandman

    Mr. Sandman 27-2 (21 KO) Full Member

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    :lol::lol:
    You have a master's degree and still use words like "hater" and "devisive"? I mean, in all your years of education you were never taught how to spell? Even worse, you never learned to use a spell checker? I mean, can you even write anywhere on a computer without something automatically pointing out spelling mistakes?

    Was there some creative influence behind your decision to spell "divisive" incorrectly?


    Where the **** did you go to school?
     
  14. El Cepillo

    El Cepillo Baddest Man on the Planet Full Member

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    A typo on a blog entry. My god I think I'll die of shame.
     
  15. El Cepillo

    El Cepillo Baddest Man on the Planet Full Member

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    This is why your opinions are just as blinkered as those calling Hamed elite. Naz regularly got 10 million plus viewers on prime-time terrestrial television before he even had a belt, when he was clowning guys like Bel Castro. It's pretty ****ing clear from the commercial ventures previously mentioned in the article that Hamed created a massive resurgence of mainstream interest in boxing. To not even acknowledge that means you are taking an extremist stance similar to those calling him an all-time-great. Just at opposite ends of the spectrum.