The Truth about Naseem Hamed

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by El Cepillo, Oct 26, 2011.


  1. Outboxer

    Outboxer Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Hamed is a troublesome case. On one hand, you have a guy who had his best win against Kevin Kelley, and got completely dominated when he stepped up to the top level of the division. On the other hand, you can see that he's highly talented, blessed with good handspeed/footspeed, reflexes, and crushing power. Losing to Barrera is no shame, either -- Barrera is a great fighter who will be remembered in the history of the sport. It's just a shame that Hamed's resume is so flimsy compared to his talent and what he aimed to achieve. He's remembered more for his theatrics and flashy style than his actual record.

    I do miss the excitement he brought to the sport, though. Mayweather tries to go for the whole arrogant, flashy guy routine, but comes across as dull and trying too hard, despite the fact that he has excellent skills. Hamed, on the other hand, felt completely natural in the role -- it felt like he really did believe he was that special. It was often funny to watch his antics and listen to him ranting about himself, and he gave us some good moments in the ring, too. One of my favourite fighters.

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WW5b3WTBAeQ[/ame]
     
  2. Bad_Intentions

    Bad_Intentions Boxing Addict Full Member

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    :rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl ****ing brilliant

    a ''Didn't read LOL'' tag should be added on that gif :rofl
     
  3. El Cepillo

    El Cepillo Baddest Man on the Planet Full Member

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    I have to mildly disagree with this first paragraph. I think on reflection the victory over Bungu is probably Hamed's best win, although obviously the fight with Kelley was the probably the most memorable and certainly the most iconic.

    I really don't believe his resume is flimsy in any respect, not even when compared to this talent. Beating 9 world champions - good fighters all, the best in the division, but zero elites is about right.

    At his best, mentally focused and physically primed, Hamed could beat elites like Barrera, he had the power to do it. But just because he had the potential to beat an elite, that doesn't men he was an elite fighter himself. Hamed was good, very good and I think he achieved as much as he could in the sport with the talent that he had.
     
  4. Clinton

    Clinton Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    :lol:Lying is most certainly NOT what I was doing:lol:.You're a very simple fellow,aren't you:lol:?I'm not British.I'm from New York.I almost never read the British forum.My quote is the truth.Hamed was an icon for Froch when he was a kid?Good for Froch:lol::lol:.I personally know of no one that became a boxing fan because of Hamed.Perhaps that's the case where you're from,but not here.Maybe he created a "mini resurgence" of the sport where you're from,but certainly not here.I know many,many boxing fans of all ages here in New York.I personally know only one person that is a Hamed fan,and Hamed isn't even his favorite fighter as Hector Camacho is.That's it.NOBODY else that I know personally.I have no idea why you find that so diffucult to believe,but that is your problem:lol:.Here in New York,nobody ever really took Hamed very seriously as he was always a ****ing clown,and we all knew that fellow New Yorker Kevin Kelley was past it due to his recent history and performances(facts) going into the Hamed fight.You're a very ****ing funny poster,you know that:lol::lol:?
     
  5. Clinton

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    Again,Bungu and Kelley may have been among the best of the division at that juncture,but that demonstrates the mediocrity of said division.Bungu won a majority decision and a split decision in 2 of the 3 fights leading up to Hamed and those were at 122.In the 2 1/2 years leading up to their fight,Kelley was tko'd and drew twice with fighters whose names neither you or I could remember.Logically and honestly,due to the evidence presented to you here,how can you rate those victories?Evidence wise,those victories were pretty good at best.And by the way,in an earlier thread,I wrote exactly what you did about Hamed in this thread-that he was good to very good.Having written that,his best bet against true elites would have been to land a lucky home run punch,because,quite honestly,he was technically deficient and always would be a loser against a great fighter that was disciplined and technically proficient.I've no idea why Hamed fans have such a problem with a statement like that.
     
  6. El Cepillo

    El Cepillo Baddest Man on the Planet Full Member

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    This is why I can't take you seriously.

    Immediately prior to facing Hamed, Bungu had made 14 successful defences of his belt won by beating Kennedy McKinney and maintained against opponents with generally good or decent records. Bungu was in his physical and career prime, had won his last fight via TKO and hadn't lost for 8 years. Yeah, that was at 122, a massive, huge, insurmountably large, 4lbs difference (!) against a guy (Hamed) who was generally considered a natural Bantam/Super-Bantamweight.

    Kelley was marginally past his best, but had won his last 5 fights and was ranked in the top 5, if I remember correctly.

    You are basically criticising Hamed for fighting and beating the best guys in his division. Soto, Kelley, Johnson, Ingle, Medina etc. were the best on offer, the most highly ranked and regarded, this is just a fact.
     
  7. Clinton

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    :lol:You can't take me seriously?:lol:I take no Hamed denier seriously especially since they just can't accept the truth.Your article and posts have been quite useless as you're in denial.Even though he fought at those 2 weights for awhile,funny how you say Hamed "was considered a bantamweight-super-bantamweight" even though he'd been fighting at featherweight for years going into the Bungu fight and his fans are always bragging how he unified the featherweight title.And you don't mention that MAB had fought at those weights for awhile,too.The Bungu-McKinney fight was how many years before the Hamed-33 year old Bungu fight?And I noticed that you didn't write that MAB stopped McKinney at 122,something Bungu failed in do in 2 bouts with Kennedy.You also didn't respond to the fact that Bungu had a majority and a split decision win (one against ATG Danny Romero:lol:)in the 2 fights leading up to Hamed.33 year old "prime" and winning MDs and SDs against decent fighters at best?Sounds to me he wasn't that good in the 1st place.And yes,4 pounds makes a difference in the smaller weights.Ever see Chavez-Sanchez:lol:?And Kevin was MARGINALLY past his best?Then how do you explain his being stopped once and having 2 draws against mediocrities in the 2 1/2 years going into the hamed fight?You still haven't dealt with that either.So what if he won 5 in a row.Against whom?And if Kevin was ranked in the top 5(which would surprise me considering his recent history going in),that would just indicate how mediocre the division was at that point.And no hamed didn't fight the best the division had to offer.That statement is bull****.he fought Steve Robinson,but avoided JMM who was ranked higher and for a longer time.And when he finally challenged JMM,it wasn't a serious challenge as he expected for JMM to be ready in a ridiculously short time.He was never serious about Marquez.You rank Soto,Kelley,Medina,Johnson,Ingle,etc., higher than JMM:lol:?I most certainly don't.And the funny part is,none of those fighters are in the same class as MAB,and will never get a mention in that class in any serious discussion of that era.No,those fighters were not the best he could fight and that's not a fact,unless you consider them better than JMM,MAB or Morales:lol::lol:
     
  8. horst

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    Your article is very well-written, but I really think your talents would be better spent waxing lyrical over a fighter who actually deserves to be rated so highly. Naz's resume was ****.
     
  9. El Cepillo

    El Cepillo Baddest Man on the Planet Full Member

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    I must admit, the thought that Clinton is in fact Kevin Kelley did cross my mind. Kev, you were on a five fight winning streak when you met the Prince, hardly shot-to-****.
     
  10. Clinton

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    :lol:I'm immature:lol:?What's hilarious is that you've addressed none of the points that I've made while you went off in different directions instead of addressing said points.What's hilarious is Hamed's (almost always the same)fans making monthly threads on these boards in homage to their classless **** of a hero despite the fact that he's been retired for ten years and his never beating a great fighter.What's hilarious is said fans defending his truly classless behavior.But what's the far and away the funniest ****ing thing about Hamed's fans is the number of excuses that they make for JUST ONE LOSS:lol::lol::lol:.That is beyond ****ing hilarious:lol::lol::lol:
     
  11. Clinton

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    :lol:That's the best you got,hamed?:lol:Hamed,I wasn't quite shot to **** when I fought you,Hamed.:lol:But I was way more than "marginally" past it as Alejandro Gonzalez stopped me in 10 in 95,and I drew with Clarence Adams and 18-8 Tommy Parks later that year.In my prime,I believe I would have handled any of those fellows easily.:lol:And here are the 5 in the winning streak that I beat before fighting you:Orlando Fernandez,Jesus Salud,Edwin Santana,Derrick Gainer and Louie Espinoza.Now I'm proud of any victory I may have had in my career,hamed.:lol:But none of any of those fellows are in the same league as MAB or Morales,both of whom stopped me.:yepYou know you're really reaching for it,Hamed,lol.
     
  12. hent

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    Kelly deserved the decison against Adams who was a decent fighter. Adams was robbed against Ayala.(a guy MAB/Morales fans like to hype up). American Zionists can rewrite history all they want but theres no escaping the fact that that Hamed kelley was the hagler hearns of featherweight boxing. If Haglers a great then so is Hamed.

    There is nothing to suggest MAB could handle a prime Hamed.
     
  13. Threetime no1

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    The truth about Naz.

    He was a unique and entertaining talent who had dynamite in his fists.

    He made a lot of money from a young age and lost his hunger while still in his prime.

    Fantastic fighter who in hindsight, left it too late in taking on the marquee names.
     
  14. Azzer85

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    Ive always put Tyson and Hamed in the same category, both had it all and threw it away and then went on to lose to guys who they would have beaten had they been at there best.

    Hamed H2H one of the greatest FWs of all time. JMM, yes the same JMM whose dick everybody has jumped on, actually ducked Hamed
     
  15. Clinton

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    :lol:Nothing to suggest that MAB could handle a prime hamed:lol:?Based on what victory and performance could hamed have handled MAB:lol::lol:?You need to present your evidence because you're an ******* that is full of ****.Present your evidence,*******:lol::lol::lol: