The Truth about the 140lbs Division.

Thank God for Darryl for hitting us with his version of "truth".

 

Good post on the whole. I'd like to see how the rest of this year plays out before being too over critical of the GBP fighters. A few questions. How do you see the top 2 guys doing against Pacquiao? Since Pacquiao has shown no indication of fighting at 140 again, would you see the winner of a potential match up between Bradley and Alexander as the new lineal champ? Also, what are your thoughts on Zab Judah, even now I still see him being able to beat some of those guys in the top 10, however, he'd probably fall short of beating the top tier guys.

 

That's the way it is. It's not nearly as deep as hyped to be. You got Bradley and Alexander that are the only 2 top notch fighters in the division (not counting Pacquioa).

I can't see Bradley nor Alexander staying @ 140 for that long either. Then the division looks very average.

Khan is very talented, but we have no idea what will happen when he fights someone that can check his chin.

I don't see Maidana or Ortiz as being all that great at this point. Maidana can go further than Ortiz though with having real power. Ortiz did not impress me vs Campbell. He has not improved his boxing skills a bit since the Maidana fight.

 

The man has knowledge.

 

Rabah was robbed of a world title in Urango's adopted home of Florida.

 

Also who could also make weight
Pacquiao
Hatton (doubt he can still do it tho)
Marquez
Guzman
Casamayor
Katsidis
Juan Diaz

 

I'm with u 100 percent only I would of put Judah in there, even though he's a lion without a heart I have him beating almost everybody but the top 2.

And I have Maquez doing the same as well

 

Well, just because not all of them are elite, it doesn't automatically follow that the division isn't deep. While I agree on the most part that outside of the 2 best (not counting Pac, JMM and the other's who could make 140 and fight there if they wanted to), the fighters aren't quite elite yet, Khan, Ortiz and Maidana are all pretty good. Two elite (or very good) and 3 good (with the potential to become elite) fighters I think makes for a deep division. I guess it depends on your definition of deep.

On a different note, I still have a hard time taking posters with excess punctuation marks seriously (that and people who "lol" a lot, treating them like punctuation marks), but hey if you want to appear angry all the time, more power to you.

 

Daryl1914 is right cuz 168 is the deepest and hottest division

 

Honestly I have no issues when it comes to spelling and grammar since this forum caters to people from all countries, including countries where English isn't the primary language (like mine). And I'm not really arguing anyway, I'm just stating my opinion that these little quirks in posting with the punctuation marks do somehow detract from the post since I feel like it's asking readers to make the extra effort to ignore them in order to get to the meat of the post. In the end, it's a forum, you're well in your rights to either take note of my opinion or just say **** off.

 

before you come on here claiming to be an expert and calling everone else fools you should do your research. the fact that you have Julio Diaz and Demitrius Hopkins shows laziness on your part in ranking fighters you have only heard off yourself. Can you explain how you rank them in your top 10??

Current ESB top 15

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4. Marcos Maidana
5. Andriy Kotelnik
6. Victor Ortiz
7. Kaizer Mabuza
8. Lamont Peterson
9. Juan Urango
10. Paulie Malagnaggi
11. Junior Witter
12. Mike Alvarado
13. Paul McCloskey
14. Juan Diaz
15. Ajose Oleguseun

Bradley is a clear number 1 due to the amount of "solid" but spectacular wins. Alexander is 2nd but only due to having only 2 decent wins on his resume, as quality as they are. Khan is 100% number 3 and if theres any arguement about him changing positions its to go to number 2. He is only untested in the chin department. He has 2 dominant wins over guys still in the top 10, Mallignaggi and Kotelnik. Salita was undefeated and his mandatory contender. Khan stopped him in 1 round. We did a rankings vote for the top 3 and this is how it came out.

Maidana is 4th but that is debatable as he was only 1 big win over the untested at the time Victor Ortiz, and a loss to number 5 Kotelnik. Having Urango ahead of Kotelnik makes absolutley no sense and I get the feeling you under rate a decent boxer in Kotelnik due to not liking Amir Khan. Ortiz at 6. His last performance was a solid win over Nate Campbell, we did a rankings poll and ortiz was place in 6th.

Kaizer Mabuza has a TKO win over Kendoll Holt, the fight before that Holt went 12 rounds with Tim Bradley. He probably deserves a higher ranking and you have to wonder why Alexander was reluctant to fight his IBF mandatory when searching for an opponent. Peterson is at 8, he may have lost in his step up but he was competative with the divisions number 1 and will come back.

Urango, Malinaggi and Witter are 9,10,11. they are former champions who still have very credible wins on there resume at 140lbs. Have only lost to the top 3 guys. number 12 Mike Alvarado has built up some solid wins, and Paul McCloskey has done the same as European champion. Juan Diaz has a win and a loss with Malignaggi, however you look at it they were competative fights. Ajose Oleguseun is undefeated and has had severall 12 round fights for minor titles, he just beats Julio Diaz, Joel Casamayor and Cesar Cucena to 15.

 

Hey Rob, do you not rate Maidana's win over Cayo. He's not an elite, but its a decent win.

 

140 was red hot 5 years ago, nobody can deny that, here are some names that division had:

Tszyu
Mayweather
Hatton
Gatti
Cotto
Judah
Mitchelle

Than just 5 pound south at 135 you had:

Corrales
Castillo
Casamayor
Freitas

Seriously, Lightweight/Super Lightweight divisions were insanely deep.

 

Ortiz is a big win. Cayo decent but a few levels below.