The Truth about the Calzaghe v. Hopkins Soapopera

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  1. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    I am glad you agree, China_hand_Joe!:yep

    Now go find Joe to convince him too!:good
     
  2. Quik

    Quik Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I would say B but whatever, i just hope they can agree on this fight, would be something.
     
  3. Sweet Pea Pacquiao

    Sweet Pea Pacquiao Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Joe C. doesn't want to come to America. I don't think he's scared of Hopkins, but I think he's scared of getting shafted.

    But as has been the story of his career, risks must be taken for recognized greatness. If he moves up in weight and beats Hopkins in America, then he will shut the haters up once and for all. Until then, he is HOF, in my opinion the most accomplished fighter ever at 168 after beating Kessler, but Top 100 of all-time?

    Until he comes to America, NOPE.
     
  4. 2ironmt

    2ironmt Boxing Addict Full Member

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    thanks for the response. i've heard that it was close elsewhere. by your score it seems like it was at least close, which is fine like i said i think robin reid was an elite guy a few years ago. it just undercuts whomever was saying calzaghe never had a tough fight and has well beaten everybody.
     
  5. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    Joe never looked like losing though...and Reid never looked like winning, even when it was close...you'd have to see it...Reid was DIRTY!
     
  6. robpalmer135

    robpalmer135 Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    Calzaghe should forget about Hopkins and fight the Taylor when he beats Pavlik!
     
  7. sues2nd

    sues2nd Fading into Bolivian... Full Member

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    You know...I can accept things put in this way.

    We all know I dont think its B. But at least you put up an arguement and didnt try to make it look like it is all one fighter doing the posturing.

    Good post...even tho I dont fully agree....good post.
     
  8. China_hand_Joe

    China_hand_Joe Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He wants to be remebered as great boxer. No boxer gives a ****ing **** about what 3% of the boxing fanbase think.

    The history writers are morons. You need to take moronic fights.

    Calzaghe is the best of all time, so it isn't like it matters anyway.


    Now quit trying to apply relious ideals to boxing or you are going on ignore.
     
  9. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    Is this what I have been doing?

    And here was I thinking you treated Joe like a perfect god!:think
     
  10. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    I doubt Hopkins will fight Calzaghe, even if it is in his back-yard for a lot of money.
     
  11. David UK

    David UK Boxing Addict banned

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    Excellent post. You have hit the nail right on the head.

    Hopkins isn't stupid. He's knows he can't defeat Calzaghe. He's ducked him once so why would he fight him now. Calzaghe has called Hopkins bluff ny stating he's quite willing to fight in the USA, and now Hopkins is left looking a right puss puss
     
  12. China_hand_Joe

    China_hand_Joe Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yes.

    You are asking stupid questions like:

    "Why doesn't Calzaghe take a medium sized risk that will earn him nearly nothing in the way of legacy rather than than taking no risk and gaining a huge chunk of legacy by beating up a ******* who denied him a big fight 5 years ago?"

    Whats more is Dawson doesn't mention Calzaghe, Calzaghe doesn't mention Dawson. Presesnters don't mention this match. Calzaghe Dawson probably isn't that feasible.

    Also your sequence of threads is in the wrong order:

    Thread 1 - "Calzaghe is a little ***** if he fights Hopkins, not Dawson."
    Thread 2 "Tell me about Dawson, I know nothing, is he good?"

    You make negative statements, then ask whether Dawson is actually any good afterwards. You clearly have an anit-Calzaghe agenda.
     
  13. sthomas

    sthomas Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Hopkins seem to have painted himself into a corner where the only thing he can do is take the fight, even if he does not think he can win. If he doesn't take it, his legacy will be that of a great fighter who twice ran away from JC. Fighting and losing would do more for Hops legacy than avoiding the fight. He's gotta do it
     
  14. Decebal

    Decebal Lucian Bute Full Member

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    Huh?:huh
    You clearly have an anti-Decebal agenda!:deal I am a huge fan of Joe! Bigger than most, it seems, since I don't worry about the risk he would take fighting anyone at all - I know he would smoke them all. You on the other hand seem to think he should be weighing up risk/reward when deciding whom to fight, instead of fighting the best and making his reward his investment in his legacy!

    I don't know about Dawson?:huh I asked that question so that better analysts than I could convince the rest of you how good he was...

    Have a look at one of my posts, and you tell me whether I think Dawson's any good:

    Which are these fighters' strengths and weaknesses?

    Dawson is unbeaten. Dropped by Adamek. Wonderfully complete, polished and versatile. Excellent, intelligent boxer, great footwork, speed and distance; throws fairly hard, very accurate punches, very nice combinations; shows much economy of style. Superior foot positoning. Tall. However, his defence isn't the best; nor is his chin. Mentally, not the strongest.

    Diaconu is unbeaten. Good, hard, accurate puncher; strikes decisively; unpredictable. Driven and higly motivated. Mentally strong, brave risk taker. Good head movement. However, he is small, his footwork is poor, he is not a very good boxer and lacks stamina; fairly limited.

    How do they fight, generally?

    Dawson is southpaw. He boxes a lot, like an elegant fencer, keeping great distance, using his jab very well to keep opponents at bay, lunging very fast to the body with the jab, and setting up nice one-two's, before throwing nice combinations. Jabs to keep his distance, taking advantage of his height very well. After punching or jabbing, he retreats straight away, using backward movement as his main means of defense. Usually beats opponents to the punch. Loves to hit to the body and does so effectively. Throws very nice, precise combinations. Defends either by counterpunching or by moving backwards or around the ring, before going on the counterattack, furiously, decisively. Tends to get into a grove quickly and gainst confidence if the opponent boxes with him. His relative lack of mental strength makes him lose concentration in the last quarter. His defense lets him down a bit in the last quarter. He can be hit by a good right. He doesn't deal with pressure and an aggressive opponent very well in the last quarter. If his chin is checked, he will struggle and aim simply to survive. He is not easy to finish, though, even when he is in trouble.
    His great balance, excellent footwork and superior foot positioning allows him much economy of movement and purpose...You are crazy to try an box with him...not even Adamek could do it effectively.

    Diaconu used to concentrate on ripping an opponent's head off and nothing else. Now, he boxes more and is better for it. He keeps a tight guard, and moves forward slouched over his gloves, waiting to pounce. His footwork is not the best so he relies on rushing his opponent and pushing him backwards. Doesn't jab enough, defending with his gloves. When he does jab, he goes straight for the head. Moves his head when defending and jumps backwards, to defend. Throws very effective one-twos to the head when he comes forward. Headhunts continuously and then jumps back. Has a decent left hook. Every punch he throws has a purpose - that of hitting his opponent's head. Moves his head well inside, avoiding punches well, headhunting and moving his head, headhunting and moving his head. Attacks explosively and sustains the pressure well, bravely. Tends to tire in the later rounds. Lacks stamina. Never been in big trouble so hard to say how he would react.

    Which strategy do you think each will most likely employ?

    I think Dawson will try to box the way he boxed against Adamek, establishing a big lead on the cards. He will be aware of he danger that Diaconu represents so he will defend better with his gloves while using his great footwork to get him out of trouble. He will jab a lot and go to the body a lot, more than against Adamek, lunging in and out, quickly, moving more, using his height advantage to keep his distance. He will aim to punish Diaconu and stop him on a cut or TKO him after jabbing him an outboxing him. He will try to do this early, before he loses his concentration and is let down by his lack of mental strength.

    I think Diaconu will try to stay out away from Dawson's jab as much as possible, keeping a very tight guard and moving his head more when working his way inside. He will duck as he goes inside, rushing Dawson. and then start headhunting as usual. He will not want to box or counterpunch at all. He will take big risks to win an early stoppage but if Dawson looks in control from the very beginning he will bide his time, looking to stay out of trouble and pouncing whenever he sees an opening, looking for Dawson to start losing concentration towards the last quarter, when he is more likely to make mistakes.

    What would it take for each to win? What would they have to do to win?

    Dawson will have to prove his chin is very good to beat Diaconu. He will get tested and he won't have the luxury of recovering because Diaconu will be relentless. He will have to improve his glove defence and his head movement agains the ropes. He will have to improve his concentration and focus, to avoid all mistakes, especially in the latter rounds.

    Diaconu will have to improve his footwork and balance a lot. He would have to have an even better head movement against Dawson. He must work on his speed and explosiveness a lot. He will have to take big risks and maintain the pressure once he hurts Dawson. He has to pounce and put it all on the line, headhunting and moving his head, headhunting and moving his head, punching hard, precisely until the ref stops the fight.

    How will the fight most likely play out?

    Dawson's qualities and intelligence in the ring should prove much too good for limited Diaconu. The versatile, precise punching Dawson will use his height advantage very well over the clumsy Diaconu. Diaconu's footwork is no way close to being good enough to allow him to compete. He will crouch an take guard agains the jabs that keep flying in as Dawson dances around him...Dawson will just rip Diaconu up when he tries to box...He will open his tight guard with his wonderful uppercuts. He will move quickly backwards out of the way every time Diaconu pounces or rushes him, punishing him as he comes in, turning him and hitting to the body, sapping Diaconu's strength like a bullfighter does with a charging bull.

    After a couple of rounds in which he is completely outboxed and hit again and again, Diaconu will make a move...if not for any other reason but desperation. He will pounce, taking a big risk.

    If he gets past the jab and past Dawson's punches and bullies him somehow agains the ropes, he will have to be very cool, very decisive and very lucky - he will not get more than a couple of seconds at best to have a go before Dawson is out again, dancing around him, punishing him. It's his only chance and he knows it.

    But Dawson will expect it...he will hit back against the ropes and hit Diaconu to the body, turn him and stab him again and again. I cannot see the referee letting this go on for too long. If Diaconu doesn't finish Dawson when he has that very small chance, having rushed him agains the ropes, he will be stopped himself. 9/10 Dawson stops him as he comes in, driving. Diaconu simply cannot take it for 12 rounds...he will have a go and most likely pay for it.

    However, if Dawson doesn't improve his defence and doesn't maintain his concentration at all times, Diaconu will hurt him. And if Diaconu hurts him, he will stop him too, there can be little doubt about that.
    I cannot see this go to the cards. Diaconu will play it all on one card and either stop Dawson or get stopped in the process.

    Who will win?

    70% chance: Dawson TKO (9 or under)
    20% chance: Diaconu TKO (6 or under)
    10% chance: Dawson UD 120-108
     
  15. China_hand_Joe

    China_hand_Joe Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    That doesn't add up.