The truth behind Jones's weight loss

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  1. Bo Bo Olson

    Bo Bo Olson Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I can say it 1,000 times…why I think I have…Archie Moore fought at @ 195 as a heavy weight and went down to 175 to defend his Lt. Heavy Title, very often.
    Of course, Moore had to weigh in at 12 the day of the fight. Jones had 36 hours to Recover from this ever so super hard thing, of Bulking up to @ 192…(reference Byrd bulking from Cruiser to heavy of “gasp” 212 pounds.)
    I guess we can forget all those months, months and months at Heavy where Jones was not fit, because he was not doing anything but dodging Tua and then Vitili. So he kept that super hard to achieve weight gain…..

    (Byrd bulked up for his heavy fights.) so it might be just so slightly conceivable, that Jones weighed less than that so muscular 192 pounds….after all Byrd always had to bulk up from a lower weigh. Or was it that Jones turned into a typical Heavy fat sack and weighted “Gasp” well over 200 pounds….which I tend to doubt…

    Attention Jones fans do take the “fat sack Jones event” in to that consideration of him having to loose that Impossible amount of weight from 192 super packed muscles.
    Oh, by the way, having shed that Impossible Amount of Weight….all the Jones fans forget he irked out a decision over Tavar….

    It was months and months later he got KO’ed by Tavar. In addition, Months and Months later that he was whipped like a dog by Johnson…

    How many months was it from going down that impossible Never Ever Done before Physical Event of going from 192 back to 175 to get beat……..oh, Months and Months….gee how that gets forgotten by the True Believers.

    OK, Jones fans what was that excuse again?
     
  2. geppy

    geppy Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I was talking to an amatuer MMA fighter a few days ago. He was telling me, Thiago Alves ( the guy that KO'd Matt Hughes) weigh around 200 lbs and is shredded.

    Alves cuts down to 170 for every fight!! Alves gets down in weight a little bit from 200 lbs to around 190 on a breif diet. Then Alves dehydrates himself to lose around 20 lbs for a fight. So he weighs around the 190 lbs + on fight night, for a a 170 lbs weight class.
     
  3. Sweet Pea

    Sweet Pea Obsessed with Boxing banned

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    I didn't realize Moore had to cut down to 12 pounds. That's pretty heavy duty weight draining right there.
     
  4. My2Sense

    My2Sense Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The "weight drained" excuse was always BS. The only fight where Roy looked weight drained was in the first Tarver fight, and he won that anyway. In the second fight he was KTFO with one punch (after looking good in the first round-and-a-half) and then he was totally outclassed by Glen Johnson. You can't excuse those by saying he was still "weight drained" from a fight a year earlier. That's a joke. Especially considering he later went down to 168 to fight Tito.
     
  5. geppy

    geppy Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Well, when Moore fought they had same day weigh-ins. So it was much harder for figthers to cut weight.
     
  6. eze

    eze Everybody Know Me Full Member

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    Jones weighed 200 not 192.
     
  7. Sweet Pea

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    I knew that, I was making a joke on Bobo's wordplay.
     
  8. geppy

    geppy Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Jones weighed 193 lbs with his shoes on and jeans at the Ruiz Weigh-in. There is fighers who cut more weight from 193 to 175 for every fight.

    How much weight do think James Toney was cutting to fight at MW?
     
  9. eze

    eze Everybody Know Me Full Member

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    WRONG. Get your facts.

    [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Renzo Bagnariol, the chairman of the WBA championship committee, said Friday that Jones has been given until April 15 to decide if he wants to remain WBA heavyweight champion or defend his WBA light heavyweight belt. Under WBA rules, Jones had 10 days to make the decision, but it is not surprising that he was given an extension. [/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Meanwhile, Jones weighed more than the announced 193 pounds at the weigh-in Feb. 27. [/FONT][FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Mackie Shilstone, Jones' conditioning coach, said Jones was 198 1/2 the morning of the weigh-in. [/FONT]
    [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]"I knew it was more than 193," said Marc Ratner, the executive director of the Nevada Athletic Commission. "Roy had a sweat suit on. (The scale) was hovering. I figured he had about three pounds of clothes. With the skirmish that had just happened (between the camps), the amount of people on the stage and all of the jockeying around, I just got them up and down (off the scales)." [/FONT]
    [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Ratner said because heavyweights don't have to make a weight, it was better to get the weigh-in over with before another melee broke out. [/FONT]
    [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]"Marc didn't make an error," Shilstone said. "The scale never balanced."



    Jones also went on video for a documentary and jumped on a scale after the weigh in back at home and weighed 200.
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  10. Bo Bo Olson

    Bo Bo Olson Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Modern math defeats me.....195-175= 12 pounds:think
    198 1/2 -3 pounds = wow 195......ok it was after all 36 hours before that fight too. So Jones was a big boy that night...nearly as big as Byrd.
    "Roy had a sweat suit on. (The scale) was hovering. I figured he had about three pounds of clothes.

    Of course it is much easier for an old man to loose that sort of weight:huh ...he's got so many years of more experence.....

    Now Moore always said he learned that secret trick in Australia from the Abo's.....so his weight experts were much more up to date and well they used forbidden substances....steak.*

    Chew very rare steak and spit out the pulp........I can remember reading that article in Life magazine in the late 50's.

    *it was a secret where an Abo got a big thick steak...in fact it's still a secret.
     
  11. bladerunner

    bladerunner El Intocable Full Member

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    did you saw what happened to Chris Byrd old man?
     
  12. Bo Bo Olson

    Bo Bo Olson Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Fool should have fought at Cruiser...and Jones was not so old.
     
  13. scurlaruntings

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    Alves also got busted for being on dieurectics. The guy kills himself to make weight. Its also worth noting that although Alves cuts alot of weight to make 170 it IS MOSTLY water weight. Jones is far far tighter at the weight than Alves is for a certainty you can see it in his face. His skin is paper thin.
     
  14. scurlaruntings

    scurlaruntings ESB 2002 Club Full Member

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    Any person can make ANY weight if desired. That doesnt mean its practical. Byrd made 75 we know what happened to him. Any sensible nutrionist will tell you that athletes should not loose huge amounts of weight when there body is accustomed. This is espcially true when its musculature.
     
  15. Zhaakal

    Zhaakal Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Lol.. U can't comopare atheletes so far between in time. Athletes are much more superior to what they were in Archies time. Roy was shredded at Heavy... Archie had prolly some flab. They didn't know what they know now about how to build muscle and the right exercises and so on. Trust me man, from my own experience. I once weighted at 83 kg.. Then i lost 20 kg in 5 months... And it took me about an year and a half or more to get my body adjusted to the weight loss, i lost FAT. Roy lost some 20 pounds of pure ripped muscle and at 30+ years old. Trust me it takes a **** load out of you.