The two men usually picked as the best HW ever

Louis tries circling but is too slow to avoid Tyson's onslaught. He's caught flush with a two hook combination to the body and head less than a minute into the round and goes down. Trying to shake off the surprise and mounting grogginess, he rises gingerly, beating the count by 2 seconds. Tyson is on him again in the blink of an eye and again puts him down with a fierce power punch combination. Louis rises again on visibly shaky limbs and as Tyson batters him on the ropes, the ref calls a halt to the contest less than 2 minutes into the first round. Back to the drawing board for the Brown Bomber.

 

"A die hard cruiserweight" who was most likely the most potent combination puncher in history who FEASTED on bigger, more cumbersome dreadnaughts time and again.. Joe Louis was tremendously powerful at 200 lbs with nary an oz. of superfluous weight
just sheer lightning trip hammer blows that once landed, spelled disaster for his opponent...Weight, weight ,weight....Bah !!!

 

People who say Joe Louis was too small crack me up. During his heavyweight reign (when he was fighting heavyweights like Buddy Baer, Abe Simon, Lou Nova, Arturo Godoy), Louis was the size of Evander Holyfield when Holyfield fought James Tillis and Ridd1ck Bowe the first time.

Louis wasn't small. He was 6'2" and just over 200 pounds (202-205). Basically, just like Holyfield when he first became a heavy.

But Louis hit harder than Evander and his punches and combos were much shorter and faster than Evander's, who tended to hook with his biggest shots. And both were stopped the same number of times (twice).

If Evander Holyfield could hang with the big heavyweights, Joe Louis would do even better. Because Joe Louis was better than Evander Holyfield.

I believe Muhammad Ali at his best and Joe Louis at his best beat both Tyson and Lewis at their bests ... which is why Ali and Louis tend to be rated the top two.

Basically, if Evander could hang with Lewis and Tyson, Joe Louis would do even better ... because he was better.

 

Kevin shows he is Clueless again.

 

Your logic is abysmal.

 

My logic is logical. :good

 

You're whole description of the fight is based on an assumption that Joe Louis would come out circling Mike Tyson looking to "avoid his onslought?" :roll:

Yes, because that's what Joe Louis did? He circled guys and looked to avoid their onsloughts. (I'm being sarcastic.)

Every time Mike Tyson faced a big puncher who backed him up, he lost. Joe Louis was a big puncher who backed guys up. Both fights with Holyfield were examples of this.

Use your head ... dummy. :hi:

 

This is a good thread

 

I'm thinking that if Ray Mercer gave Lewis trouble with his jab, Louis will give him fits. And that his power and combination punching will not be fun for Lewis either.

 

1) Louis circled and backed away plenty against big punchers.

2) Yeah? How did that work for Razor Ruddock? Or are you only looking at post-prison Tyson and comparing him to prime Louis?

Where do they find you people?

 

Just to be clear. Louis was a well rounded smart fighter with an all time trainer. If you look closely at Louis he alters his style to suit the opponent he is facing. Most offen it's a seek and destroy style as a boxer puncher.

However if you look at his bouts with Galento, Carnera, Max Baer you see a different Louis. Here he is circling and counter punching foes that are either much larger and or dangerous. Once a counterpunch hurts his opponent he would then attack.

The inexperienced Louis fan thinks of him in one way. Those that have spent lots of time critically looking at his fights and his strategy during those fights will have a more complete picture.

 

Louis didn't like pressure. Tyson would cut him down early as far as I'm concerned.

 

Problem is that Lewis was sometimes a hot and cold fighter. When he was on song he was devastating but when he sucked he looked very, very beatable.

 

I think some people are seriously underestimating Louis's power. Sure, -he's not a big heavyweight, but he destroyed massive heavyweights.

It's entirely relevant to bring that up because he proved he had the power to hurt big men like Lewis. Was Lewis unhittable? No. Would Louis hit him? Yes.

He'd also hit him cleanly with more regularity than anyone he faced.

Lewis isn't going to just steamroll Louis, either. He didn't even try that approach against Holyfield who wasn't anywhere near the puncher Joe was. He'd fight a cagey fight because he would get countered if he went gung ho.

As to the earlier comment about Ali stopping Lewis, sorry, I can't see that at all.

 

Mike Tyson couldn't knock out Frank Bruno or Razor Ruddock - two of the chinniest, slowest, one-dimensional boxers of that era in one round.

But you think he's knocking out a prime Joe Louis in one round. :roll:

Where do we find people like you?