The Tyson that wrecked Spinks vs the Usyk that rocked Fury (1st meeting)

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Usyk is a chess master, with sublime skills.

But he hasn’t got a huge jab.

No inside fight game.

No huge power.

He couldn’t have bullied him and overpowered him.

It’s a simple match up of styles.

It’s very easy to predict.

If you want to say Usyk is better than Evander and Lennox etc, that’s cool.

You can say that he’s better than Mike.

But the stylistic match up would clearly have favoured Mike.

Usyk had nothing to starve off the attacks.

He simply wouldn’t have been given any room to have boxed.

 

Fair point honestly. Forward pressure definitely matters, especially against the judges’ eyes and Mike would absolutely be the guy pushing the fight early. No argument there.

But I guess the way I see it, backing up doesn’t necessarily mean you’re losing rounds automatically. It’s about how you’re moving and what you’re doing while retreating. If you’re staying composed, landing clean counters, making the aggressor miss a lot and constantly making them reset, you can still win rounds even going backward.

Usyk is really good at that kind of tactical movement, touch, turn, jab, move again, breaking rhythm without taking much damage. He wouldn’t be walking Tyson onto huge punches, but he could be landing just enough clean, disruptive shots while keeping Tyson from setting his feet consistently.

It wouldn’t look dominant. It wouldn’t be flashy. Tyson would definitely have the more explosive moments. But over 12 rounds, especially if Usyk starts to gain rhythm after the first 5-6 rounds, I could see him stealing rounds by being busier, landing slightly cleaner and staying calm under the pressure while Tyson gets a little more flat-footed later.

Not saying it’s easy at all, Tyson’s early pressure would be a huge mountain to survive. But if Usyk did survive it, I think he has the tools to quietly start building points down the stretch.

 

Easy against a guy of AJ’s size and mobility.

Mike was a small, fast, wrecking ball who was a master at slipping inside.

Two completely different stylistic match ups.

 

In total agreement with you.If Tyson goes to the body Usyk is not getting up

 

It would be refreshing for Usyk to fight an angry midget chasing him all over the ring.

Usyk has the length, he has the straight punches, he has the speed. He has the twitchy defence, he has the movement.

And yeah, he has enough power to make them take notice when he wants to.

Amazing how all the guys that Usyk fought could never use their "BIG POWER" to wipe him out, huh? AJ, Dubois, Gassiev, Chisora, Huck ... the list goes on. You guys simply can't see what is happening right in front of your eyes.

Even the straw that is being clutched at "he's vULNeraBle tO uPpeRcuTs" shows that you are unable to analyse what's going on. Fury caught Usyk with uppercuts because Fury used his size and his feet to move on Usyk. He knew that Usyk wanted to soak up the space to nullify his huge reach advantage, so he did to Usyk what Usyk does to other fighters: he made him chase and lunge in. Once he made Usyk overcommit, and sacrifice his balance, he was able to hit the target as it moved in a predictable course. Usyk ran straight into his gunsights. The difference is that Mike is going to be chasing Usyk because Usyk has a functionally longer reach and faster feet. If anybody is going to be eating shots it would be Mike.

Tyson would have been EASIER for Usyk to deal with than a lot of these other guys. Why? FOOTWORK. The moment the other guy starts to attack, Usyk is gone, back or to the sides. And he has enough bouncy energy to exactly allow the other guy to get off balance and then drill them in the face with counters. TIMING. His timing is impeccable. Watch him on slo mo. Over and over again he gets guys to commit to the attack and uses their own energy against them.

Usyk is a combination of footwork and timing that is generational.

Mike was great and especially good against certain kinds of fighters.

Usyk is not one of those kinds.

 

Again, I respect your opinion.

And I’m not saying that fighters who are pressured can’t steal rounds and counter punch etc.

But in this specific fight, I just believe that he’d have had a very limited offense, due to being forced into defensive positions for the majority of the night.

 

I dunno...Tyson's footwork seemed to have pretty good results for what he wanted to do. He ended up forcing exchanges against a generation of Ali clones who wanted to run and clinch him. Even Douglas got put down despite eventually winning...

 

Perhaps when people make those "ideal boxing physique" threads, they should include a belly button halfway up the torso.

 

Probably a large part due to the reasons you mention yes. I think there was some genuine confusion as well.

 

I was in two minds whether or not to reply here.

I wondered if this garbage even warranted a response.


An angry midget chasing him all around the ring?

Really??

This is what you’ve resorted to?

Don’t be an idiot.


Usyk had zero power to have bothered Mike.


No, it’s not amazing how those guys mentioned couldn’t land their power shots. It’s very simple. Usyk was simply too fast and elusive for them for them to land.

However, Mike was even more elusive than Usyk, with his unique bob and weave/peak a boo style, with great upper body and head movement, where he was even faster than Usyk. He had faster hand and foot speed.


Usyk’s reach wouldn’t have been an advantage to him in this specific fight. Because again, Mike was faster, and an incredible inside fighting, pressure fighter.


Usyk’s footwork would not have eluded a smaller, faster fighter who was explosive, and who could fight from both stances.

Usyk’s other opponents are completely immobile in comparison to Mike.


It’s very clear to see that Usyk doesn’t possess the attributes needed to have beaten Mike.

It’s very clear why Breidis was harder than his fights at HW.

 

It's an interesting point that Tyson could fight from both stances, in the context of this fight.

On the other hand, did he ever face a southpaw?

Also, how good was his inside fighting? He seemed to fall into clinches when not in midrange...

 

No, he never faced a southpaw.

But that’s not an issue to me, simply due to Usyk not having a jab, an inside game or enough power to have deterred or stopped Mike from aggressively pursuing him at every opportunity.

He could be clinched by survivors.

He could be clinched and pushed back by immensely strong fighters.

If Usyk had have initiated a clinch, it would have just been to break up the fight. It wouldn’t have lead to any offensive scoring punches for him. He doesn’t have the power to have gotten anything positive out of such an action.

 

Oh, I knew there would be a response when I heard the "eeeeee" sound from right across the Atlantic accompanied by the suction sound of an XXL pair of panties being hoovered up somebody's arse.

Dwarf?

Little person?

Short King?

What term would you prefer? Give me some other adjectives that make Usyk's 7 (seven) inch reach advantage seem less enormous.

Well, I'm here arguing with you, so its a little late for that.

Usyk's 60% KO rate suggests otherwise. The fact that nobody was able to simply walk through Usyk likewise suggests otherwise.

Ya think

^Opinion. I disagree.

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Cool story bro

^Opinion, yet again.

Wow, I never noticed that Breidis = Mike Tyson

 

Loudon busy huffing his asthma inhaler I guess.