The Ultimate & Full Proof Way To Eliminate Poor Judging & Judges...

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by walk with me, Oct 21, 2009.


  1. ed7890

    ed7890 Col. Hunter Gathers Full Member

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    Ya I guess.

    It would have fixed the Oscar/Tito fight as well where the guy was giving rounds at the end to Oscar to cover up.

    Like PH|LLA said though it is still a corruptible system. Like if 1 judge is blindly giving rounds to 1 of the fighters. Then in a close round any time one of the other judges goes with that fighter he will win the round.
     
  2. itrymariti

    itrymariti Cañas! Full Member

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    There's a major problem with this. There are a lot of fights where there's a close but clear outcome, i.e. 115-113 for a fighter on two judges cards, but then one crazy/inept/corrupt judge scores it massively the other way for some strange reason. On your system, averaging out the cards would allow the guy who won to get jobbed. It's a lot easier to corrupt people that way.
     
  3. PH|LLA

    PH|LLA VIP Member Full Member

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    Didn't Dirrell himself concede the 12th round? If the fighter himself thinks he lost the round why do you keep arguing that it was a crystal clear round for Dirrell?
     
  4. daydachamp

    daydachamp Active Member Full Member

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    you're so stooooopid.
    all your dumb idea would not stop a crooked judge. example say there is a close fight. but there is a clear winner. say that winner on a fair card should be up by 2 points. two judges see it that way with a 2 point margin. then along is judge number three who sees it for the other guy by an 8 point margin. by your method, judge number three gets averaged in with the other two and the wrong guy wins the fight.
    your new system makes it possible to gain decision via buying off only one judge. congratulations, you just made it cheaper to cheat.
     
  5. itrymariti

    itrymariti Cañas! Full Member

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    You see things like me. :good
     
  6. walk with me

    walk with me Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    any system is corruptible.... especially in boxing...

    this cannot be worse than what we have now... ill tell you that for sure

    i mean.... i dont see how... but if you could provide an example of a fight with actual score cards from teh judges that would be a great way to gauge the system..


    i mean it wouldnt be about ud/sd/md

    all that would matter is Wins Or losses.. or in rare cases a draw


    i just used that fight as an example... the other two judges agreed on that round....
     
  7. Davo-The-Don

    Davo-The-Don Big Swinging Thang Full Member

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    See, some one else talking sense. The current system is, you have to convince at least 2 of the 3 judges that you won the most rounds, it's not complicated, it aint perfect, but neither is any other way to score a fight when it's SUBJECTIVE!
     
  8. walk with me

    walk with me Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    you two are looking at it the wrong way....

    think of it like this
    round 1 scoring (using odlh vs tito as an example)

    judge A - odlh Judge B - Tito Judge C- Odlh
    round 2
    Judge A - tito Judge B - Tito Judge C- Odlh


    the majority of the judges (2 out of 3) agree odlh won round won
    the majority of the judges (2 out of 3) agree tito won the 2nd round


    the final count of rounds wont matter because the 1 crazy judge you are talking about will be basically ruled out of the equation because the other 2 judges agreed the rounds
     
  9. ed7890

    ed7890 Col. Hunter Gathers Full Member

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    I think this might work if there are 5 judges instead of 3. With 3 it would seem too easy for 1 judge to influence close rounds.

    As somebody said as well, there really needs to be 1 body with responsibility for training, providing and monitoring judges.

    I like the idea with being more liberal with the 10 point system. It would by no means remove corruption or bad judges with, in fact it would give them more power to screw a fighter, but it would reward fighters for good rounds and remove ambiguity over close rounds.
     
  10. the_brigand

    the_brigand I'll Eat Her Later... Full Member

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    I think you're making too much out of this.

    If the sole purpose of your scoring idea is to eliminate the insane judge then you've bunked yourself because you need that Italian judge to make scores works out in your favor since he's the one agreeing with the Mexican judge for the majority of the fight.
    If you want to call a judge inept at scoring then take his score out entirely - and you wind up with Froch as the winner.
     
  11. walk with me

    walk with me Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    are you guys not reading my original thread?


    a lot of you seemed to be confused

    edit:

    i see the problem... everyone is getting caught up in the word "average"


    don't read that word and then just make some wild post.... read everything and take it in before you post and you will understand the system
     
  12. Mr. V.I.P.

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  13. PH|LLA

    PH|LLA VIP Member Full Member

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    what do you think of my idea wwm. IMO its the best way to avoid controversies
     
  14. walk with me

    walk with me Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    your idea is staying with the original system right?

    i tried to find it again in thread but i missed it.... put it up again
     
  15. BrooklynMumin

    BrooklynMumin HOPKINS A " G " Full Member

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