The under rated resume of Jack Sharky

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  1. janitor

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    Max Baer and Primo Carnera have been getting a lot of love lately, so it is only fair to take a closer look at the career of the Boston Gob. Sharkey is often described as an inconsistent fighter, or an underachiever, and there is some justification in this. Unfortunately this view has led to a lot of strengths in his resume being overlooked.

    Fighter’s records must be interpreted very carefully!

    Let’s start with Sharkey's baptism of fire:

    He turned professional with very little amateur experience, and was thrown in against serious contenders after only a few professional fights. In his sixth professional fight he fought and defeated Floyd Johnson, who had very recently been seen as a potential title challenger for Jack Dempsey. After only ten professional fights he was being matched with guys like Weinert, Maloney, and Rojas, and what’s worse he was being matched regularly. He took a dozen fights in both of his first two years as a professional, and many of them were against contenders and fringe contenders! Given this extraordinary match making, it should not come as any surprise that he picked up a number of defeats.

    A very much overlooked run of form:

    In Sharkeys third year as a professional he went undefeated in six fights, which included wins over Harry Wills and George Godfrey. He then won two fights in year four before running into Jack Dempsey. It should be noted that his draw against Heeney, and loss to Risko both come off the loss to Dempsey, which might have precipitated them. After this we have a five year period leading up to sharkey losing the title to Carnera. During this period he fights eleven times, with his only loss being the DQ against Schmeling, and again we are looking at a consistently high level of opposition.

    The virdict:

    Sharkey was an inconsistent and emotionally volatile fighter, but this does not tell the whole story. He was matched against a consistently high calibre of opposition, pretty much from his professional debut, and throughout his career thereafter. This combined with his hectic schedule partially mitigates his number of losses. He actually achieved an impressive level of consistency over a definable eight year period, where he fought regularly against elite opponents, and only lost to the best of them.

    Sharkey was not one of the less capable lineal heavyweight champions, he was a man who was potentially one of the better ones, but never quite realised that lofty status.
     
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  2. janitor

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    It should also be noted that Sharkey fought one of the highest totals of ranked opponents of any lineal heavyweight champion. He was fighting elite guys from the opening gate, and he was fighting them when he was washed up. There is a strong argument for mitigation based on level of opposition.
     
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  3. choklab

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    Technically Sharkey was a sound fighter. He had genuine two handed power. Some of his wins were quite outstanding. it seems he only took big fights too. There's none of the barnstorming mismatches that pad everey other champions early record. He must have been seen as a talent from the beginning.

    Although much is made of his temperament but I don't see that it cost him too many bouts. He reacted angrily at times like when Carnera took a knee and when Phil Scott and Schmeling claimed fouls against him but in comparison to say Golota, Brian London Or that German guy called muller I don't think he was that unstable during action. No more than anyone else.
     
  4. janitor

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    With regards to his mental stability:

    He was known to break down and cry hysterically at times, for less than obvious reasons. .

    This suggests to me, that he suffered from what we would today call panic attacks, or anxiety disorder.

    This was in the days before Prozac was available.

    Perhaps he was a really tough guy, who always had a black do on his shoulder?
     
  5. louis54

    louis54 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Very true...great posting
     
  6. reznick

    reznick In the 7.2% Full Member

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    Great post J.

    Does anyone know why Sharkey was fighting ranked guys so early on?
     
  7. The Long Count

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    Sharkey is underrated. I think two reasons one he has lot of losses on his ledger and 2 the way he lost his title and to who it was.

    Godfrey and Wills a month apart when most avoided both guys then the Delaney KO later on.
    Good fighter gave Dempsey all he could handle
     
  8. edward morbius

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    Several points which were made above

    1--inexperienced-----but he fought in the Navy. How much experience did he gain there? Hard to say. He was a relatively mature 22 when he turned pro. Interestingly, Jim Maloney was just as inexperienced as a pro fighter when he fought and defeated Sharkey in their first fight.

    2--fought often-----but so did most of his opponents. Compare him with his rival, Jim Maloney. Maloney also started in 1924 and fought to 1933. Sharkey fought from 1924 to 1936. Maloney had 72 fights. Sharkey 55.

    3--fought a lot of top men-----okay.

    4--Lost a lot-----given as a reason he is underrated. But this is a rather important consideration. Again comparing him to his rival Maloney. Maloney won 52 of 72. Sharkey 38 of 55. My calculator comes up with Maloney having a slightly better winning percentage. No getting around that Sharkey lost fights a really top man shouldn't have lost. The KO defeat to Romero-Rojas for example.

    5--punching power-----13 KO's in 55 fights puts him way down the list of heavyweight champions for punching power. A lot of ordinary contenders were probably more dangerous punchers.

    What about his big wins. Champions. Schmeling? Problem here is most thought he lost. Carnera? He did what Maloney and Gains also did in his first fight with Primo. In the second he flopped. Wills? Could be his most impressive win, but it is worth noting that Uzcudun beat Wills more impressively in his next fight. Godfrey? Hard to ever judge what this really means. Did George wear the cuffs? Was it all that Sharkey had to do was last to get the win from his hometown officials? Delaney? I read years ago Delaney was actually drunk for this fight. Still, there is no doubt Sharkey fought and beat a lot of contenders.

    I think Sharkey has a "glass is half full and half empty" resume. Too many wins over name fighters to dismiss, but also wins on questionable decisions (Schmeling & Renault), and DQ's when he was losing badly (2nd Maloney fight), plus a rapid decline into mediocrity--the KO loss to Carnera and the one-sided decision loss to Levinsky in 1933. One can make a case for him being underrated, but equally as overrated.
     
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  9. mcvey

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    Even-handed post.
    On his best night Sharkey may have given Tunney hell, the problem is Sharkey could only draw with Heeney and lost to Risko thereby giving the Marine a softer option for a farewell defence with the plodding Heeney.
     
  10. janitor

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    Perhaps you are just making the case for Maloney being under rated as well.

    I am not sure how important the Romero-Rojas loss is, because it came in Sharkey's 10th known professional fight, and it was not Romero-Rojas's only good win.
     
  11. janitor

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    What about the Loughran win?

    Nobody else beat Loughran like that!
     
  12. mcvey

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    Sharkey's excuse for losing to Rojas was that he had just got married.It didn't seem to affect Louis against Max Baer.
     
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    He also lost to him! Actually they did, Steve Hamas stopped Loughran in2 rds!.
     
  14. The Long Count

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    I've read that the Godfrey bout was on the level.

    I guess it's all depends where you choose to Rank Sharkey if he's overrated or underrated. Most people that saw him attest that he had fantastic skills.

    Godfrey, Wills, Loughran, Stribling, Primo, Delaney,

    Even if you remove the Schmeling win which most sources said was flat out robbery, Jack has solid resume.

    Throw in A good fight in a losing effort to Dempsey.

    I think he detoriated fast after the second Schmeling fight. He didn't look sharp in that bout either.

    He took on the top two leading African American contenders, two men widely avoided and defeated them both less than a month apart.

    He stopped Loughran the Phantom of Philly. Hard to do.

    Delaney if he wasn't drunk, another impressive win.

    Good wins mixed with some bad losses. To me he looks good on film in most cases
     
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  15. janitor

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    In fairness Sharkey was past his best when Loughran beat him, and Loughran was past his best when Hamas beat him.

    When Sharkey and Loughran faced off for the first time, both were at a relevant stage of their careers.

    This is an impressive win!