The Very Definition of a Close Match is Its CLOSE. As In They're Not Robberies.

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  1. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    One of the things that really irritates me is when an incredibly biased fan uses the fact that their guy wasn't beaten decisively as a reason to cry robbery after losing a very close fight. The same thing can be said for fans of the winner who use the brutally close wins to rub under the noses of the fans of the loser. Neither side has empirical bragging rights, and they should be honest with themselves and say it was a close match and my guy edged it in a squeaker and your guy was pretty good because he came damn close to winning as well. But no the fans sit on the web for endless hours arguing over the how's and why's behind the reason why their guy dominated the other. Which is being intellectually dishonest, because most fans consciously are aware of how close the fights really were, but just aren't admitting it to themselves. Granted that's part of the fun of being on a Boxing website, the ability to argue one's point, but it doesn't mean the fans arguing their point aren't delusional. Draws exists in Boxing for a reason, as much as we seem to hate shades of grey and ambiguity in this country, we really need to come to terms with the simple reality, Close matches are Close for a reason, they're CLOSE.:D


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    The KD's count.
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    The KD's count
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    Should have been a draw
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    Should have been a draw
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    Even with JC KD Close
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    No decisive winner at least Froch pushed the pace.
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    Drawish
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    Close but MH outworked Him
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    Close but CA outworked Him
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    Should have been Draw with KD
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    I think Canelo won Barely
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    Draw
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    FM lost but it was close
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    Draw but Vera didn't win
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    Drawish
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    Martinez won even with KD's Murray eexceeded expectations
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    Martinez won barely
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    Calzaghe won barely
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    BJS outlanded him won 8-4


    Discuss: Which matches do you think were draws or too close to call that have been blown out of proportion?????
     
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  2. kovalevtheGoat

    kovalevtheGoat The Chelyabinsk Machine banned Full Member

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    Saunders-Eubank Jr. BJS outlanded him won 8-4

    check my thread on the british forum. i scored it same way.
     
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  3. Cafe

    Cafe Sitzpinkler Full Member

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    I think this term gets overused somewhat, there can be a fight that's close but with a clear winner if the rounds are fairly easy to score.

    On to the topic, I think maybe Povetkin-Huck?
     
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  4. Badbot

    Badbot You can just do things. Full Member

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    Are we going back to 8-4 one way or 8-4 the other way? :huh
    Might as well dig up the "Floored" thread :lol:

    Close is close. 7-5 is close 6-6 is close.
    Cometitive can be anything. From 12-0 to 7-5
    Now take Froch vs Johnson. It was competitive, it was close yet it was clear who won it.

    Same with Bradley-Chavez.
    Bradley: "i got robbed" is the second most ironic thing said in boxing this year :lol:
     
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  5. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    Agree about Chaves Bradley and Froch Johnson. That's why I left Herrera Garcia/Benavidez off the thread they were clear cut robberies, an I don't quite get why anyone would think BJS/Eubank was a robbery either, the right man won and they wanted to claim it was a robbery.
     
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  6. acie2g

    acie2g Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    No disrespect but Pac-JMM 3 was a robbery Marquez won about 8/9 rds in that fight. I agree with the premise though close fights/robberies aren't the same.
     
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  7. boxingfanatix

    boxingfanatix Guest

    You lost all credibility when you said Mayweather - Maidana 1 was a draw. That was a 9-3 decision, if you actually turn off the sound.
     
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  8. True_Hero

    True_Hero Guest

    Disagree with Calzaghe vs Hopkins

    Calzaghe beat him pretty handily. He only "struggled" thanks to Hopkins constant holding, faking injuries and headbutts which isn't boxing. It's cheating.

    Any of the actual boxing skills in that fight were demonstrated by Calzaghe and Hopkins should have had points taken off. Calzaghe was too fast, too slick and too skilled so Hopkins did what Hopkins did best. Cheat.
     
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  9. HoldMyBeer

    HoldMyBeer Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    good idea to not be blatantly 'too british' when you post :good
     
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  10. acie2g

    acie2g Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Imo Mayweather won 6 rds clean Maidana 3 there are about 3 50/50 swing rds that if scored all for Maidana makes it a draw if all for Mayweather 9-3 looks, fight I overall though was a competitive fight.
     
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  11. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    I scored the 3 swing rounds for Marcos.
     
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  12. Scar

    Scar VIP Member Full Member

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    All close fights will have their share of people crying "robbery!" for the guy they scored for.
     
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  13. Robney

    Robney ᴻᴼ ᴸᴼᴻᴳᴲᴿ ᴲ۷ᴵᴸ Full Member

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    There are fights that are close and are actual clear robberies.

    In a 10 rounder if one guy wins 5 rounds clearly including a KD and the other rounds are close but most score 4 or all 5 for the other guy, it's impossible for the guy that got KD'd to win if you score on the level. Despite it being razor close on the scorecards.

    Example: Matthysse vs Alexander
    You can score that 96-93 or as close as 95-94 for Matty, but no way in hell you can score that for Alexander.
    So close but clear robbery
     
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  14. emallini

    emallini Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Fights can be close but clear. For example Mosley vs Dela Hoya 1 and Calzaghe vs Kessler
     
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  15. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    :think
     
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