The Video Pac and Arum don't want you to Watch!

You think after a bunch of baseless accusations he is going to try and sneak PEDs in?!!?

 

I wouldnt say more impressively because floyd KO's hatton way earlier at 140 but hatton didnt want it and ODH didnt have to come down to 145 against floyd either but if datz wut u believe den ok

 

Why do people always come back with this canned response?atsch

STEROIDS ALL SHOW UP IN URINE. Manny accepted unlimited random urine tests. Thus, he doesn't get to pick the dates. It should be obvious to anyone that can process information logically that he isn't using steroids.

The only thing Manny wouldn't accept is unlimited random blood testing. So go figure out what PEDs that leaves as a possibility and see if it is reasonable that they could be used with the blood testing schedule Manny accepted.

 

Didn't have to.
He chose to weigh 145. Could have weighed 147.

He destroyed hatton and retired DLH.

 

None of us here, including yourself are drug testing experts.......so I dont know where you get off saying that urine detects everything where there have been links posted from various sources around this forum that would state otherwise.

Myself, I use common sense to gauge whether blood and urine both need to be used to increase the probablility of catching a cheat.

I doubt very seriously that the Olympic drug testers as well as the Tour de France would waist there time testing blood, urine and hair if they could detect every drug consistently with just urine.

I'm no expert, but common sense would tell me the probablility of catching a cheat increases if you randomly test both blood and urine.

 

HELL NO..FLOYD MAINTAINS TO THIS DAY THAT HE "NEEDED A BREAK AT THE TIME"...DIDN'T FU34 UP..PROBABLY SMART IF ANYTHING..HE LET A MAN GET UP TO A BIG MONEY LEVEL AND IF HE FIGHTS HIM ( I DOUBT HE WILL) THAN THERE IS A HUGE PAYDAY FOR FLOYD..HE HAS REPEATEDLY SAID HE IN IT FOR THE MONEY SO U TAKE WHAT U WANT FROM THAT LUKE...:deal

 

yes, I will agree that he may not be using steroids, but PED's or some designer drug definitely what he's taking. If he wasn't why the hell is he running away froma teaspoon of blood? You still haven't answered this question. Don't give me the "oh, he's scared of needles" or it weakens him for 2 weeks nonsense. I had blood given last month and worked out and did cardio an hour later and felt 100% normal.

Pac only agreed to a needle 24 days out and after the fight. That leaves a a couple weeks window to get whatever he needs in him. that in no way is even random blood testing. If Pac knows the dates, he can hide what he's doing or simply come off in enough time to test clean. The science behind drugging is incredibly complex and don't fool yourself into thinking otherwise.

 

Instead of just relying on "common sense," how about doing some actual research and arming yourself with facts?

Common sense will tell you that in order to increase the probability of catching a cheat, you should test every possible way (blood, urine, hair), every single day. But science would tell you that it's not necessary subject athletes to this inconvenience because drugs stay in the system for a certain amount of time, and even if the drug is no longer detectable, the effects are (EPO). Science will show you that all known steroids show up in urine. That's how the human body works.

The TdF tests blood aggressively because doping is a major suspicion in endurance activities. If doping is the suspicion for Pacquiao (as steroids have clearly been ruled out), then you have to figure out how that would be executed in a 24 day window so as to have a benefit for the fight but not be detected in the post-fight test.

It's not enough to simply say that you think 24 days provides enough time to work around. Put up scientific facts to bolster your argument.

 

Victor Conte said it could

 

Sorry, Pac's on EPO's.

Busted

http://www.thesweetscience.com/boxing-article/7653/conte-volunteers-catch-cheaters/

 

I've answered this question earlier in this thread. As far as I know, Arum is the one who said Manny was "scared of needles." Manny has said he felt weakened by giving blood in the past and isn't willing to risk being weakened for a fight of this magnitude simply because his opponent wants him to. It doesn't matter to me that your personal experience giving blood was different. You may not be afraid to get on an airplane yourself, but what relevance does that have for someone that's terrified of flying? Their own experience or fear is what is relevant. Now that Manny was required to give blood just 20 days out, I'm hoping he felt no ill effects and will be confident to accept blood testing all the way up to the fight.

If Manny is on some new designer stuff, he could rest assured that no test would find it. Remember, this is why Mosley never tested positive in urine tests. Not because urine tests are insufficient, or that blood would have caught him. You can't test positive for a substance for which there are no standards.

 

The guy wants us to suspect that Manny is juicing but he provides quotes that shows that every goddamn boxer could be using PEDs without ever getting caught... so why is he not questionning any other boxer ?

 

“I think you could do blood testing up to five days of a fight with no physical detriment to a participant,” Conte says. “A compromise of 10 days would be all right. But as soon as you go 14 days or more, that’s enough time to use EPO and build up your red blood cell count. At 24 days, there’s all sorts of things that can be done with thyroid medication, fast-acting forms of insulin, EPO, testosterone. -- Victor Conte

Yup, Pac is a cheat

 

Don't have time to go through that link atm, but here's one snippet:

“It’s announced testing. Any time an athlete knows when he or she is going to be tested, they or someone advising them knows the clearance time of these performance-enhancing drugs. If you know urine tests are only going to be administered immediately before and after a fight, all you have to do is taper off an adequate number of days and you’re going to test negative.”

What schedule of urine testing did Manny accept?

I'll explain EPO when I get back.

 

I've read some of the very links created in threads in this forum......and you have experts disagreeing.....

......one will say that random Urine test would suffice, and another will say that urine alone does'nt cover all the possible drugs an athlete could use.
Many are saying certain PED's are better detected with blood and others with urine.

The botton line for me is that when you have experts stating that it is there belief that both urine and blood are needed, why not go with that route of testing???

If it happens that urine detects everything, great.
......but lets get real here.....the medical evidence supports everything contrary to what Pac has said that having a minimal ammount of blood drawn from him weaken's him.

I think even the die hard Pacroid fans in this forum deep down know Pacroid's full of it for that excuse.


I'm not about to go and do full research on this because I dont give a damn and could care less whether urine detects everything or not......


IF it detects everything why the hell has'nt Bob Arum brought out his experts to let it be known that Pacquiao is clean and willing to submit to urine tests that will detect everthing?

If what you were saying were true, Arum would have done this, but he has'nt because he knows that even between the experts the opinions vary as to what testing protocol is best.....

.....because there is varying opinions on the matter between the experts, that why you would test both blood and urine.....and in the case of the Tour de France, hair as well.

I've even read opinions in this forum with links to suggest that hair testing is better than both blood and urine testing.....that the traces of use last longer in the hair than in blood or urine.

Wonder why the hell hair testing is'nt being done in other sports?

I'll tell you why, because there are varying degrees of opinion on the matter between the experts themselves.