The Video Pac and Arum don't want you to Watch!

Which logically means he is taking them.

Brilliant deduction, genius.

 

Manny is juicing ....shut the fark up and stop whinning u sound like a frikkin chihuahua

 

I've never said that urine detects everything. I've said urine detects all steroids. EPO can also be detected in urine. What you need blood tests for is to measure the hematocrit (%red blood cells) for evidence of doping or EPO use. You don't have to actually find exogenous EPO to know that someone is using. The hematocrit will give it away.

In order to benefit from EPO, the user would have to have an elevated hematocrit during the event. If your red blood cells are back to normal, you haven't gained anything. EPO has a long lasting effect of up to several weeks on red blood cell production, even though the compound itself clears very quickly. This sounds perfect with a 24 day cutoff for blood testing, because Manny could inject after the blood draw on day 24 and have a nice elevated hematocrit for the fight. The only problem then is how to get around the post-fight blood test he readily accepted.

It's good to know that you admit you are unwilling to arm yourself with facts and prefer to spout off opinions with no scientific backing.

There is an accepted urine test for EPO.

 

I took the time to show you how the author of the video's lack of sound reasoning and any factual accuracy was readily apparent. You still haven't explained to me how my refutation to the points in the video reinforces the need for random blood testing and weakened my position. The guy that made the video was trying to build a case for steroid abuse, for crying out loud. I hope at the very least you'll admit just how absurd the steroid theory is at this point.

 

Excellent points.:good

 

He popped positive?!?!?

Source?

 

The best source is from big head himself......and his embarassing comportment full of excuses in regards to the testing.

Here's the link......

http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0S0206r45pLLEMAvFWjzbkF/SIG=12sbqp45n/EXP=1268528427/**http%3a//www.weblo.com/asset_images/large/Manny_Pacquiao_457bb4a5627f4.jpg[/IMG]

 

I see your point Divac. It will definitely provide a higher chance of catching cheats. However let's quantify that...

A. Pac's offer: Unlimited random urine testing, random blood test up to 24 days before the fight and right after the fight.
B. PBF's : Random urine and blood tests 14 days into the fight.

The increase in chance to caught any PEDs by insisting on a 14 day cut off instead of 24 days is marginal. Because we really don't know if such a designer drugs exist that could cycle in that window. Compounded with the chance that Team Pacquiao has access to it, and so on.

You see we are trying to get a compromise here to get he fight done. And I think if you look at the circumstances of the situation, what Pac's team put on the table is already a very good compromise on their part.

edit: I forgot about the Olympic blood testers. Nobody tested positive yet on blood . But many failed urine tests. This is exactly how I mean.

 

There's ped's in every sport...if Pac was to knock Clottey out within 3 rounds ,he's on something I don't care what people say. whats wrong with boxing is that its not a team sport and its hard to regulate areas in the sport that needs attention. If Nevada grants Holyfield a boxing license again something is wrong with boxing and its becoming like the old days of boxing where corruption is starting to peak.

 

So you're still going on about steroids?

Instead of just making stuff up, you'd do well to base your claims on facts. There is no "2-3 hour" grace period in Olympic-style testing where an athlete enjoys their privacy and is free to take "certain blockers" to test clean. From the time of notification of a requirement to provide a urine sample, an official rep will accompany the athlete until the sample is provided.

Have a look here and see for yourself:
WADA:
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xE_JFWSdO2g[/ame]

USADA:
http://www.usada.org/resources/usada-videos/popup-video.asp?video=SampleCollection

Pacquiao was willing to have not just random, but unlimited urine testing. Meaning, he was prepared to give urine every single day if need be. According to you, he'd just keep loading up on these mythical steroid masking agents day after day.

Furthemore, because these masking compounds exist and are so effective, no steroid using boxer should ever get caught by urinalysis--especially when they know a post-fight urine sample will be tested. Even if unannounced, they could just delay the test and pop some blockers, right? You really have to be committed to ignoring facts and sound reasoning to buy this theory.