The Vitali I saw last night would of definetely lost to a prime Joe Frazier

Folks just don't know how good that fat sack Mathas was and back then 230-235 of blubber was fat.
And at 210 he'd not been been caught in, 8th round he slowed dwon...ninth round caught...standing still and ducking...no movement left.

I don't remember exactly what round it was, being over 35 years ago...but his legs went on him, and all he could do was duck. I think he could have held up if he'd been near to fit.
He was a very, very good ducker.
Much better boxer than Kirk Johnson.
Better than Chris Ariolia(sp) but not so big...a very fast handed man.

by the way I do think Vittil could lay a hand on him...it would be Ali coming into danger...in out side of Terril at 6-6 who was made for him...not a power puncher, Forman at 6 3 was about as big as he fought and at 205-210 best weight, he'd be giving up total reach...his style would be no puzzle in that even Vittili uses it on occasion....you don't know. but Ali for his time was a tall heavy,with very long arms 81- reach(in that he used his reach and height...the same way a Klitchko does or a Lewis)...vs Vitil it would be -3 inches in reach for Ali. The only man who had similar reach Ali fought was Liston.

It would be a good hard fight. Don't know who would win...but it is not a walk away.

You do forget Lyle was up after 11 when Ali stunned and finished him in the 12 of 15.
lyle was not the fastest in the west I am told...but that night he was doing something right.

 

Be honest. If Tyson and Tua faced Vitali he would have held more than Lewis. At least equally as much. Tyson and Tua have much better pace/pressure/footspeed. Even an old Tyson and a Tua not at his best weight.

I'm not impressed with his foot-work.

Lewis has better balance, footwork and movement. If Tyson/Tua were to fight he would have held more than Lewis did. :deal

 

I think it comes down to Joe's left hook vs Klitschko's right hand.

In my mind, Prime Joe has a slightly better chance of finding a home for his hook.

There's no question in my mind though that Frazier gets past the Klitschko jab. Too much head movement...

 

Of course he gets passed the arm-punching, telegraphed and slow jabs. It will look like slow-motion compared to the speed he was dealing with. He will have his chest in at Vitali all day. Vitali will hold. The ref would be big because inside Frazier would murder Vitali.

 

There's a difference between BOXING and RUNNING.

Lewis gave Tua movement and angles all night long. No, Lewis didn't go toe-to-toe and I felt he should have stood his ground in the last third of the fight and put Tua away. However, Lewis wasn't running.

Klitschko, otoh, did a good job of maintaning his distance - but - when that distance couldn't be maintained, clearly not feeling comfortable with Arreola's pressure, he just ran away...

 

Lewis had great balance and footwork, but not better overall body/head movement and ring generalship than Vitali. At times, Lewis was falling asleep in the ring. He became a sitting duck, sitting there like a statue when he because all too confident and thought he doesn't need to keep working as he already saw himself winning the fight (e.g. vs. Mavrorich).

I agree Vitali would hold more against Tua or Tyson, simply because they are much more formidable on the inside than Arreola ever will be. But I was pointing out Lewis' trademark GRAB & LEAN technique. I've never seen Vitali do that, ever. Lewis got points deducted in the Tyson fight for that BS. When necessary, Lewis knew how to fight dirty.

 

So prince how about that mock fight you watched... you know the one you said where david haye was winded in the second round.. that fight you claimed to of seen?

 

BS

Lewis holds every advantage over Klitschko except for height and weight...

 

Vitali has poor timing? Where do they breed your kind? how many punches Vitali missed last night?

Study, study and after that study some more. Come here after and clean yourself from this embarrassment of a post.

 

You don't belong anywhere near the sport of boxing. Please pick up your stuff and leave, you are an embarrassment.

 

Frazier KO VT

Head movement, head movement, left hook, left hook, down goes Klitschko.

 

I don't know. Note how, sacrificing his chance to land a straight right with maximum leverage, Vitali circled to neutralize Arreola's left hand. He wasn't completely successful, but most of the time Arreola hit air. It was hurting Arreola's arm to miss so much. Vitali knew that Arreola's right was no real threat, as he could control it with his left (which is one of the most educated lefts I have seen in this division since Holmes). If he approached Frazier the same way, it could be a long night for Frazier. Had Ali employed Vitali's strategy, he would have had a much easier time with Frazier. Instead of moving sideways away from the hook, Ali moved straight back away from it. To be sure, Arreola is no Frazier, but he has natural advantages Frazier didn't. If Arreola couldn't hit Vitali with enough left hands, Frazier would have trouble, too. One thing Frazier did that was smarter than Arreola was bobbing and weaving a crouching to get inside. Arreola just walked in straight up. But Arreola appears to take a better shot than Frazier. I don't believe a Frazier victory is at all a sure thing. I think Vitali would hit him a lot. The question is whether Frazier can take it. He couldn't take it from Foreman and he was rocked by Ali several times in all three of their fights. Vitali dwarfs Frazier.

 

frazier oh please, vk would slam dunk that arse into no mans land,the wack attack mallet-esque clinic foreman put on him would look tame by comparison,frazier would be bouncing round like a kangaroo on a pogo stick.

 

Are the jokers aware that Vitali is 38, and has both knees, his back and shoulder surgically repaired ? If you don't know Vitali was moving WAY different before that surgeries, you should consider WATCHING an old fight of his.

 

If Klitschko's timing were so good then he's be putting guys away sooner. Going rounds with guys who offer up no resistence after the first [Gomez] or who walk straight in without using the jab or head movement [Arreola] suggests a lack of good timing.

It's easy to look like SRR when you're fighting guys who have **** for defense.

If you want to see a guy who has good timing, damn good timing @ that, go watch some Kostya Tszyu fights...