The Vitali I saw last night would of definetely lost to a prime Joe Frazier

thats a joke considering joe narely weighted 200 lbs. you idiot.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTZ-D8MO9qI&feature=related

vs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UI8EQTa1cbM


And this is how one of your infallible, superior black superman sugardaddies looked against the same man in the first couple of rounds:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0kTxda3O4s&feature=related

It took Bowe 6 rounds what Klitschko did in one and a half.

 

Maybe because he had already tried, got countered by a guy who could read him like an open book. VK is an old guy, but his skill have nothing to do with his speed... he just good at anticipating what people will do... as any really skilled boxer is. To answer the question, I doubt VK would get hit much against Frazier...

 

Yeap, the guy almost never clinches... he said he doesn't do that, doesn't fight that way... I thought his footward was phenomenal last night. Never seen him dance around like that.. and activity and number of punches.... well, try to match 800 punches in 10 rounds in HW division.

 

Vitali Klit is "DAH MAN," dudes.............. # 6 or 7 on my ATG list, pending, on how you wanna look at it...... V.K. is a badass mother-****er in the ring....... In a time machine, he's a killer........ V.K. is seriously a bad mo-fo...... Cheerio.....

SR.BILLARDO

 

Ali would almost certainly win.

But no KO.

This one goes fifteen rounds.

 

Prime Tyson, 23 years old, lost to Buster Douglas.

By KO.

Not like Lewis to Rahman or Louis to Schmelling, no lucky one-punch game-changer, but lost clearly and decisively.


Ali would IMO have outpointed or stopped him.

 

No he doesn't.

Lewis was mentally weak at times and not always fully focused. He fell asleep during many rounds like if he was in another world. Like a child that had a day dream.

You sound like you only ever saw a "Lewis Career Highlights" video. Try watching all of Lewis' fights to form a more balanced opinion.

 

I dunno man. . .those 2 Foreman annhilations really cast a big, and I mean really big cloud of doubt over Frazier's prospects against a prime Vitali Klitschko. Vitali Klitschko prolly hits just as hard as Foreman does, and is every bit as conditioned as a prime Foreman and that's saying a lot. Although a weak resume by comparison, a nearly 100% KO percent is simply incredible, no matter what your level of competition and note that VK's resume is somewhat weak but not garbage. I see Frazier rocking VK with a couple of left hook bombs but nothing more and VK gets a KO within 6 after weathering the early Frazier storm.

 

Yep, most people don't really recognize, or don't want to recognize, that Vitali has very high ring IQ and intelligence. He, like his brother, also has great ring generalship. He is neither a robot nor a plodding brawler, the man fights very smart. He is a great great counterpuncher with amazing fight instincts and his opponents actually begin to fear him as they get to know him in the ring because they are actually afraid to throw since they knew there is a good chance that they will get caught in return with one of those right or left hooks.

 

"A good big man will beat a good small man or he wasn't any good." Maxim said.

A good big man Buddy Baer, 6'6" lost to Joe Louis, but he fought from a compleatly different style than Vittili.

Would Vitili beat a Joe Louis, a Ali-Frazier-Forman.

Lewis maybe.
Tiny Forman with ease.
Small Ali, more than likley...Ali's plus point here is his chin....his speed, his minus point going straight back.

Frazier, like Tyson (See Lewis Tyson...well drugs did a thing too.But size made a big difference)
or Marchinio too, are too small giving up reach to a man who has a great trainer who can have and use plan A. B and C.

Liston has great reach...like Ali...so those two have a good chance.
A Rematched Lewis would have been a great fight.


Reach is so important. Tapia vs Berria was so big in Ring Mag...how each was so good, how each had this that and the other thing.

Not a dammed word about reach in either article.

Hype sells....Berria had 6 full inchs of reach over Tapia and slaughtered him.

With an inch of reach, if the both fighters were to throw at the same time, the one with the longer reach hits hard first, taking some of the steam off the other's punch. Two inches means the man with the longer reach...hits hard and the other hits softer.
6 inches means hit with out getting hit.

We shrink either Klitchko and many would have a good chance against them.

We shrink Ali down to 6' and not a tall for the time 6 foot 3, he gets hit more. We shrink the Giant for then Forman, down from 6 foot 3, to six foot flat. He gets clobbered. And he was a massive Heavy back in the day at 225 pounds.
Hell Liston was Real Big at @6-2 215 in his day.

It is not their day...it is now. Where a normal Heavy is as tall as an Ali or a Forman, and weighs in at 225-240.

Ali like Liston had ape arms....both were one to two inches longer in reach than a Kliticho or perhaps a bit more vs a Lewis.

Total Reach is span plus height.

So Ali fights Vittili, who has an inch less span than him but is 4 inches taller. So Ali is minus 3 in total reach.
A Forman @ minus 5 in total reach.
Frazier at 5 foot 10 is at least 12 inches shorter in total reach.
Against a much shorter Ali he had a bit of a problem getting a good punch to land.

But Vittili is much more flexible in what style he can fight out of than Ali was a one trick pony...he tried to learn to box normal and got wacked around and went back to using his height to sway backwards and very long arms, to stay out of trouble.

Today he's be too small to be able to get away with that vs A Lewis or a Klitchko...and he's have problems vs a prime Bowie too.

Ali is no longer a big man, but the size of A Touch of Sleep.
His style is no longer a puzzle to many...it is common.

I like Frazier, he'd be a great Cruiser Champ...he took the championship at 195 and was up to 205 as a prime weight..anything over that was fat.

Back inthe Day where you weighed in at 12 fought at 9....today, he'd weigh in at 200, thirty six hours before the fight and come in at 208.

Joe Louis would be hard pressed vs today's big men...they are lots faster than the big men of his day, Abe Simmons or a 6-6 Buddy Baer.

It's the size of today's boxers that makes the great difference.

Once you had 6 foot 2-3 shooting guards, today you have 6-6 to 6-8 shooting guards.
Once a power forward was 6-8 or 6-9...now real small for that postion.
That midget 6 foot 2 Bob Cousy or Tiny six foot 4 Oscar Robinson, would not dominate in today's bigger game.

Why should boxing midgets from yesterday be any different.

I keep calling them Tiny Forman and Skinny Small Ali, to draw your attention to this. I can remember when they were Real Big, back in the day.
Starting at Center for Boston Dave Cowins at 6 foot 9...can you concieve of that today?

Hey Ali was not better than Doug Jones...he was taller with a much greater reach, and that gave him the disputed win.
Hell Cooper clocked him good,and Cooper was not a big man for the times either.

 

These talks about different eras lead to nowhere, it is just an opinion, and not the truth, noone knows who would win for sure, exceptional athletes from the past are not necessarily better than the athletes from today, why is it so hard to understand. You can argue who is/was more exciting, but that's it.

 

Hmmm....let's see. Frazier had a weak chin vs power punchers, had no jab, a weak right hand, didn't use much of an uppercut.

Arreola has a good chin...better than Frazier's for sure/

He was about 5'11", and had a 73" reach. Since the hook has less range than the jab or cross, Fraizer will need to get very close to land on the 6'8" Klitschko who has a knck for avoding hooks and wild swings.

Vitali only needs to stay active and watch out for the hook. If you watch Ali vs Frazier, Ali wins in the center of the ring every time. Frazier wins the rounds where Ali tires, or rest on the ropes.

Vitali hits harder than Ali, is harder to reach, and throws harder punches. Frazier had some swelling issues vs jabbers.

Don't assume I haven't seen ever Frazier fight on film. The truth is, Frazier was down on points and had to come back to beat a fat Buster Mathis, who was a big fighter, but not in Vitali's class.

The turth is he was also floored 2x and nearly Ko'd by Bonevena, who is also not in Vitali's class, and once took an 8 count from a bum, in addition to being buzzed and having his knees buckle in a few fights by 2nd raters.

The only big puncher Frazier faced was Foreman, and we know that was an utter mis-match.

Sorry Smoking Joe fans....

 

I know we wern't seeing a prime V. Klit against Arreola but what big differences were there? Nothing will change my mind that a prime Mike Tyson would hand both Wlad and Vitali's asses to them.

 

That's funny, after the first three or four rounds I thought to myself, "Who is best equipped to beat Vitali?" and my first thought was Frazier.

I think Frazier would be kryptonite to Vitali, but I'm no boxing analyst.