The way Calzaghe beat Jones means he could beat prime Jones

He was outboxed against Glen Johnson in 2004, and Antonio Tarver in 2005.

Of course Roy couldn't deal with Joe's speed. Joe was an elite fighter, and Roy was 9 weeks from his 40th birthday. Roy hadn't had a top level win for five years.

IMHO, Joe would never have fought Roy in his prime. That should be obvious to anyone who's read his quotes, and followed his career.

Roy in his 90's prime, was on another level to Joe.

The only advantages that Joe had over Roy, was stamina, chin and work rate. But in a fight, I just can't see how those advantages would have favoured him. I really can't. Because if they had've fought, I've no reason to believe that Joe would have pressured Roy like Tarver did. I can't envisage Joe throwing hundreds of shots, trying to outpace him.

Because IMHO, Joe would have fought ultra cautious.

Why?

Because offensively, he would have had no advantages over Roy. None.

Realistically, he would never have fought Roy in the centre of the ring, like he did with some of his other opponents. That would have been suicide.

His only real option, would have been to employ Tarver's tactics. But I can't see it. I don't think he'd have had the confidence.

I believe he'd have fought ultra cautious, taking away his advantages in stamina and work rate.

As great as Joe was, he was always relatively easy to hit, especially with right hands.


Stamina - Joe
Work rate - Joe
Chin - Joe
Footwork - Roy
Timing - Roy
Accuracy - Roy
Hand speed - Roy
Reflexes - Roy
Shot variety - Roy
Power - Roy

I don't see how Joe could have beaten him.

If he'd have stayed back and fought cautiously, he'd have lost a decision.

If he'd have had a shoot out in the centre of the ring, he'd have got stopped.

His only success, would have been to have used calculated pressure. But in facing a guy who was faster, more skilled, with a lot more firepower, who he greatly respected, I don't think he'd have employed those tactics.


Again, Roy in his 20's, was just on another level.

 

The way that Tarver KO'd a younger Roy than Calzaghe decisioned means that Tarver would've left Slappy eating through a straw for the rest of his life had they ever met

 

The Blatant man love on ESB is simply embarrassing. I think some, perhaps many of you in here, go to bed with Joe Calzaghe blow up dolls. The man was an excellent fighter and ATG no doubt, but basic common sense has completely gone out the window regarding this guy. For the record, Prime Jones cleans his clock, but anybody with an ounce of integrity already knows that Calzaghe would never take a fight with a prime fighter the likes of Jones.

 

I really think the ref should had let this 1st round end without the tko. jones was actually starting to get some bearings back right as the fight was being stopped.

outside of the KD shot landing hardly anything danny threw landed even close to clean. I think he obviously should had held on for dear life, well, should had done a much better job of holding and clearing his head.

even with holding to clear his head was attempted a whole ONE time, jones just really had and always had really poor ring iq for an elite level talent. just fought like a dumbass, and NEVER out in the work to be a truly skilled technician.

jones was a fast and powerful boxer that was an athlete, but, for a elite level boxer he had **** poor technical ability

 

Jones against a southpaw with superior speed, ring IQ, footwork, workrate, chin, and stamina...

It'd be a good one...

Keep in mind Jones was outboxed by Montell Griffin. You don't think Calzaghe could replicate that WITHOUT getting KO'd, then I don't know what to tell you.

Jones also had problems with southpaws who pressured him (Del Valle, Tarver) and pressure fighters in general (Johnson).

Hell, he wouldn't even fight Rocchigiani and Michalczewski.

Jones can only win this one by KO, and can Calzaghe be stopped?

 

The textbook definition of what you call a frontrunner.

If he's a clearly superior athlete with every advantage, he'll look like a damn superhero, but if you put a single bit of adversity on him it all falls apart. It's primarily due to lack of true technical ability, but mental weakness plays a big role as well. Guys like that are just used to having it their own way and once they find out that sometimes the opponent gets a vote...

Combine that with a glass jaw and it's easy to see why his dad never wanted him to fight anyone. He clearly knew the limits of Roy's abilities.

 

Did you even watch Roy in the 90 s to talk such dribble ?

The guy dominated for ten yrs + and you call him a front runner

How in God's name do you even come to that conclusion :huh

 

He dominated guys a frontrunner should dominate.

He struggled with Griffin and fouled him while losing ffs.

He looked terrible against Tarver and should have lost, and then he got iced by Tarver and Johnson.

He was a frontrunner and he was protected to make it look like he was just really good. As I said, nobody knew this more than his own father and Roy himself, which is why the challenging fights never happened.

 

Toney is no Joe Calzaghe. Calzaghe was light years faster than the Fatman.

 

The knock down in round one proves that a prime Jones Jnr would have easily KO'd Calzaghe.

 

Good post...but Calzaghe's hands was shot and was 36.
Not in his prime
Calzaghe had a better more adoptable style.

 

Flash forearm KD. What did Lou Devalle do to Jones with the left hand?

 

No Calzaghe and Toney were entirely different.. But Toney did have good reflexes and could slip punches better than Joe.

Do you think Calzaghe would have tried sticking his chin out for multiple seconds at a prime Roy??? I don't think so.

 

Hi pal,

how's things?


I'm not naive enough to think that he couldn't have been, but nobody knows for certain, and nobody knows if his opponents weren't also taking them.

Now I don't condone anyone taking them, and that includes Roy. But all perspective is lost when the subject arises.

Let's be realistic here, and look at the advantages of taking them. The biggest advantage IMHO, is to train harder, for longer. It gives guys a lift psychologically, to get them through the monotony of their daily training schedules. They can train hard, and recover quicker. I think in preparing for a fight, it can give significant advantages, especially if for whatever reason a guy has lost the motivation to push himself to the max.

But they can't affect a fighters skill set. They can't improve your timing, speed, footwork and your punch variation etc. Again, I'm not condoning it in anyway, so please don't think otherwise. But again, I think it's more for preparation. Roy was on another level as a fighter in the 90's, and nobody could have taken anything that would have helped them to beat him, if they hadn't been good enough in the first place.

Look at Richard Hall. He had significantly more in his system of whatever they both had. Not just a little bit more, but a significant amount. What happened? Roy gave him a merciless hiding. He beat him up bad, and Hall went on to trouble Dariusz M. If we had conclusive proof of what Roy was taking and for how long, then we could have a deep debate. But we can't debate based on assumptions.

IMHO, it seems ridiculous for people to say that Roy was on steroids for his entire career, and that was the only reason why he was as successful as he was.


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