The way Calzaghe beat Jones means he could beat prime Jones

1. Joe didn't have superior speed, ring IQ or footwork. What are you talking about?

2. How can you do a direct comparison between Joe, and a defensive 5ft, 7" counter puncher?

3. How do we know Joe would have pressured him like Tarver did?

4. Roy could have won a decision.

5. Of course Roy had the firepower required to have knocked him out.

 

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Roy Jones Jr displayed exceptionel fitness, so it's not beyond question that he was roided up to his eye*****, like ESB wisdom has suggested for a long time.

But most athletes during that period of time probably were. With loopholes in the testing routines, everything and everyone was probably stuffin themselfes with PED:s. If you were unable to become one of the best, you were nothing but an underpaid sandbag. Boxers are in it for the money and the fame, and they are no saints.

I'm not convinced about how much you can read into Roys cheating. He was on the juice. He fought others who probably were on the juice as well. And he looked remarkable.

 

Serge,

I'm good mate, I'm just counting down the days for the next event on TV.

I know that in a few weeks, you'll be cheering on your favourite fighter, Chris Eubank Jnr.

Ha!

I respect your opinion on anything. You know that.

Again, IMHO, I think the biggest advantages, would be in preparation for a fight, during camp. However, psychology can play a huge outcome in the result of a fight. So if a fighter was given a huge lift psychologically through taking steroids, it could/would affect his thought process, which could allow him to fight in a different manner to what he's accustomed to. It could make a guy more confident and aggressive etc, and he could employ tactics that maybe he wouldn't have employed before. So it's definitely plausible that it could give guys of a certain level, a boost.

But when we look back at Roy in his prime, he was a fighter who oozed confidence, that had a huge ego. So IMHO, if he'd have been taking steroids, they would have been used to assist his preparation. I honestly can't see how they'd have contributed towards his skills and speed, and his fight night performance. You can look at Roy's speed from when he was young, at 17-20. The speed was always there. I don't think that steroids could have enhanced his speed. You've also mentioned endurance. But Roy never fought at a consistently high pace. From the mid 90's, he started backing himself into the ropes. He did that not only to lure people in for counter shots, but also for a break. As we went through the late 90's, to the early 00's, he did it more frequently. On occasions, people questioned his stamina.

With regards to training for longer, I was looking more from the perspective of weight training/high intensity training, and not working on specific tactics and certain shots. I don't believe that a fighter taking steroids, would spend more overall time in the gym. I just think that they could do certain things for longer. I agree that practice makes perfect, but would taking steroids assist your timing on the speed ball and the double end bag etc? Would it assist you working on your double jab, and your hooks etc? Again, I believe that the advantages would be in getting in shape faster, as well as recovering quicker for the following day. So it would help more physically, than what it would tactically.

But we don't know that for certain.


What exactly did he take?

When did he start taking them?

How long did he take them for?

Who against?


None of those questions can be answered.

Again, I just can't see what significant advantages they could have given Roy in the ring. In preparation, yes, but not come fight night.

Well, I've seen the photo that you've uploaded from the Hopkins fight from 1993. So I can see how you've formed your opinion. But there's lots of mid fight shots, featuring athletic guys, that show the body in a much different light than normal.

Look at this photo of Bernard Hopkins that was taken during his fight with Keith Holmes:

http://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail...kins-connects-with-a-left-news-photo/51600128

Now that's not your average shot of Bernard. Just look closely at how he looks. And there's many other examples too, of different athletes.

I respect your opinion mate.

But again, there's too many unanswered questions. We're not able to conduct a deep debate.

Again, you don't know that for a fact.

Ha!

Joe's fans on here wind me up a lot more than Joe ever did.

But Joe has a huge ego, just like Roy, so some of his comments are understandable.

I'm not on Joe's case all the time, it's just that I argue the same topics over and over.

If you check my posts, I also (believe it or not) show him a lot of respect.

But when I do write negative things, it's done more to put down the trolls that I'm arguing with.

You'll never find a post of mine, where I haven't acknowledged that Joe was a great fighter.

I think I must be one of the only guys on here, who genuinely thinks that Joe would have beaten Kovalev.

As you've no doubt noticed yourself, people on here will pick against a guy in a fantasy match up, just because they don't like him. But I would never do that. Whether I like a guy, or whether I dislike/hate a guy, I'll always give my honest opinion.

Also, I have a huge amount of respect for ANY amateur or professional fighter.

Ha!

Again, I respect your opinion.

I really do.

You're one of my favourite posters to debate with.


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