The Way Calzaghe Should End His Career

Your getting me all wrong Boo. I am not saying Pavlik is a bad fighter, in fact I have him as top 10 p4p. While, he is also in my top 10 fav current fighters, maybe even top 5. It's just I think the hype he get and the manner in which he is held is over the top. The hype Pavlik gets reminds me for the hype Diaz was getting 9/12 months ago, remember how Diaz was going to be total king of the division for years, no one was going to beat him, he was a "demigod" (Nate Campbells words not mine) etc. Then what happen? He lost to "old man" Nate.

As for your questions.

I will admit that I am not 100% on the weights but here goes.

Lightest weight as a pro. Light Middle.
Heaviest weight as a pro. 166 vs Taylor. With the B-Hop going to be the heaviest in oct.
As an am he was a welterweight and won all number of different national/us titles.

Miranda - Pavliks fight plan for this fight was to keep Miranda on the back foot, and come at him at a fast pace, because as team Pavlik rightly thought Miranda is poor when the fight is taken to him and he has to fight off the back foot.

Taylor KO - The Taylor KO in my eyes was not a one punch KO. It was more of a KO by a number of different punches. To begin with he hurts Taylor by stinging him with a number of strong jabs and backs him into the ropes/corner, he then gets in a number of uppercuts and a flurry of other punches which finally take Taylor beyond the point of return. That by the way was my fav KO of 2007 .

McKart - Pavlik was able to stop McKart by flooring him in the 6th and opening up a bad cut to the eye, Mckart got up from this and the fight contined, Pavlik then continued to pound Mckart and scored another knock down Mckart got up but the ref stoped the fight, and was right to do so.

Zungina - My memory of this fight is a little hazy, I was pissed when watching it, but I will tell you what I remember.

Kelly went down in the 1st from a left hook.
Zungina got a cut from the clash of heads.
Zungina's corner threw the towel in when it became appart Pavlik was simply providing too much. I think that was in the 9th, maybe 10th.

Anyways like I was saying Boo, I don't think Pavlik is a bad fighter, it's more that I just feel that he is overhyped and also that Joe would beat him, as long as Joe still had enough speed in the tank if they ever met.

Also, yeah, could not agree more his jab is amazing its just a shame he comes in straight lines at you (which is kind of a typical european thing is it not? And also one of the things that makes us euro's so unskilled at boxing?) which for me would be his dowfall against Joe, because if you have seen Joe enough you would know that fighters such as these are his bread and butter :tong.

Take it easy. :good

 

Yeah I get what your saying about the Taylor fight but I feel that he was going before the hook, its just the hook totally took his legs. I will have another look, I have not seen it for a while.

For some reason I can't remember what your talking about in the 5th, I will try and see the fight again, I am sure your right.

When I mentioned Pavliks am record I meant it in a positive way not a negative.

Yeah, Joe talks a load of BS, but like I said I don't agree with everything he says. But, peeps have to remember that he used to say years ago he was going to retire at 30, then after that he went onto say that he only had two fights left. So I feel with the money to be made he will/should be around for a while longer (although I am not 100% thats one of the reasons why I started this thread). Also, another reason why he may continue is because a lot of questions will be raised by not fighting Pavlik if he does announce retirement, and rightly so. But if you have followed Joe you would know he is quite proud and likes proving people wrong. But the thing I get with the Pavlik fight is Joe does not want the fight in america, as when he was a kid he got an awful descision and he has ever forgotten it.

The reason why I like Joe is because he was the first boxer I really followed I was like 11/12 when he beat Eubank, and I have been following him since, and I also started to watch his past fights and am fights. When he was younger, Joe actually had more punch in him, his early record had an amazing KO ratio its only when his hands started giving way that he had to lower the power. Also, I can watch the Lacy fight over and over, even you have to admit that that was such a schooling handed out.

By the way when did Pavlik fight at 170? I cannot remember.

Take it easy.

 

I don't want to get started on who ducked who and all that, but Joe wanted B-Hop six years before the fight in 2008, which they both agreed on, only for Hopkins to come back the next day and double his demands. If Joe had got that fight then, his record over the past six years would have been much better, because even if he lost he would have lost some of that high risk, low reward catagory he was placed in.

Also, what I meant, is if he did not have such bad hands, his punching would be much more powerful than what it is now.

 

Yeah, Joe really did have poor management from Warren, Warren should have just simply got him over to the States even if it was against nobodies.