The Way to beat Wilder

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  1. SmackDaBum

    SmackDaBum TKO7 banned Full Member

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    If Wilder will be heavier and stronger he will also be slower and that's good for Fury. Easier avoiding that right hand. Also a heavier and stronger Wilder might gas later on affecting the right-hand power output negative which would be even better for Fury.

    But the choice of fight weight depends on the style of both men chose to fight on the night.

    A light stamina based Wilder will carry both power and output late. But at the same time he will get drained in stamina if a big and heavier Fury chose to wrestle him all night.

    In the first fight. Wilder did get a wrestling pass by Fury. That's why he continuously could throw out the powerful right hand all night. 1. He was light in weight which is optimal for stamina. 2. Fury didn't wrestle him which allowed him to focus that energy on punching instead of wrestling.

    Fury should fight aggressive but safe going forward with jabs and clinches draining wilder instead of letting him target practice for 12 rounds. That's insane...
     
  2. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Wilder was insanely light for Fury. He was in the gym for nearly the entire year. He said he weighed below 210 on the night of the fight. He was up around 219 and 223 for Breazeale and Ortiz 2, 10 to 12 pounds heavier.

    His hands didn't appear slower in either fight and he scored two one-punch knockouts.
     
  3. Malph

    Malph Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I think you missed my point. Pretty nobody has an inside game these days to the extent a Joe Frazier or Tyson did. Maybe a Ruiz. Maybe.

    Fighting Wilder in his comfort zone is not working. The right person might be able to exploit a hole in Wilders game by smothering his punches by fighting inside.

    By the way. Watch your mouth. Be polite. It's a better way to go. Keep it civil.
     
  4. Radrook

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    Vulnerable if the opponent can generate enough force to make him feel that he's in real danger. He certainly didn't feel that way against Chris Arreola when Areola got him against the ropes In fact, he was so comfortable that he even began clowning around. However, against Luis Ortiz Wilder clinched. Also notice how easily Wilder stood up against Kong's attack during the last fight when Kong landed power shot after power shot on his chin. That indicates a granite jaw that might be equal to Ali's. I mean. King Kong had finished many other fighters with fewer punches of the same kind. Yet at round's end, Wilder wasn't even wobbling as he made his way back to his corner as King Kong looked on in amazement.
     
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  5. Radrook

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    He also bludgeoned King Kong on the back of his head several times without any ref interference.
     
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    But since he can't help clowning around , the Gypsy King will get caught after Wilder calculates his clownish moves and formulates a strategy around them involving a devastating right hand to the Gypsy King's clowning face.
     
  7. Radrook

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    Andy Ruiz, the Destroyer , is just as unpredictable with his punches as Wilder the Brown Bomber is and has a granite chin as he does. So I think that The Destroyer might very well prove to be The Brown Bomber's demise.
     
  8. quest00

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    Nope, the Winky Wright defense would not be affective in my opinion. Given Wilders Reach, athleticism, and awkwardness he would just go around that type of defense hitting the sides of the ears and top of the head. Ike was too much of a come forward fighter. He was a very good fighter but not a defensive wizard. He wouldn't survive Wilder unless he landed first, which is a slight possibility.
     
  9. RingKing75

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    This is an outstanding post. Mostly because it agrees with what I already think lol! Seriously though ive thought of this same scenario and beating him with it but its got two major flaws:
    What if you do this for 3 or 4 rounds and hes still standing and you've just burned up a lot of energy trying to get him out asap and now it is you at a disadvantage?
    Second problem is he can simply counter this by clinching when you come in. Then at some point when youre expecting a clinch you get a right hand or even a left hook which people are completely sleeping on. DW can hurt you badly with either hand its just that the right can detach your mind from body instantly and completely lol
    I think DW is very beatable its just that the current crop of HWs dont seem to be built to do so. Fury can box well enough to neutralize DWs power for awhile but doesnt have the punch to stop him before he has a chance too. He currently has the best chance of beating him.
    AJ doesnt have the boxing ability to avoid DWs power but he does have the power to stop DW possibly even by single punch. Problem is he leaves himself too open to being countered especially when he hurts a guy and that is a death sentence against DW.
    Ruiz is the wildcard. Can absolutely take a punch and has power. He is also a highly skilled boxer. Sounds good but what gives me major pause is if he gets caught with the same two shots that dropped him against AJ he might not get up from that against DW. But then I think to myself that AJ is a legit power puncher and Ruiz handled his power pretty well so maybe he can against DW too?
     
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  10. TheFuriusWon

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    I agree with the op. I've always felt Wilder goes into his shell when he's been clocked hard, it's just most fighters resort to the instinct to be ultra wary of his right hand 100% of the time and think they need to box. It will just need a fighter youthful enough to sustain the inevitable onslaught you would have to do to put him away.. Ruiz is perfect for the job providing he can get inside and not get smashed coming in. Then again seeing the mandibles he has walking through AJ's right hand perhaps he could channel some of that adrenaline soaked iron chin willpower to destroy wilder in similar fashion.
     
  11. critix

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    who can take wilder's powa?

    remember when ggg was unstoppable but then he met canelo and canelo took his shots? who is that canelo of the HW division?
     
  12. blackfella96

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    Maybe Gassiev can get inside and close the distance and deliver a left hook? Haven't watched much of him but he definitely can punch and work the inside. I'd say Joseph Parker could make Wilder work, and he has a great chin, so maybe he could be the one?
     
  13. Reinhardt

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    You think Ruiz is going to stand in front of him for 12 rounds? Ruiz moves around about like Ortiz, he's just got quicker hands
     
  14. Dubblechin

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    Like Ruiz did to Liakhovich and Parker?

    Andy Ruiz has been around for a while. The Joshua win was a huge upset for a reason.

    The Ruiz-Joshua story may just simply be a case of one guy just having the other guy's number.

    That happens more often than people care to admit, too.

    We'll see.

    I wouldn't be surprised if Ruiz stopped Joshua again, just like I wouldn't be surprised if Parker decisioned Ruiz if they fought again. And I don't think Parker is better than Joshua.

    That's what makes boxing so great and unpredictable.
     
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  15. Reinhardt

    Reinhardt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I have to say , I think you put forth a pretty good argument of how to beat Wilder, get inside and nail his thin midsection. It'd take a Frazier type pressure or as you say Tyson to work inside. Of course there's one helluva mind field to get through to get inside on him.