The way to defeat Deontay Wilder is fighting him on the inside

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  1. tommyg6

    tommyg6 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    When it comes to Wilder, everyone talks about that you gotta stay on the outside for 12 rds and avoid his right hand which it in itself is difficult to do.

    To me, I see it like this.
    The tactic of avoiding Wilder for 12 rds is a tactical mistake because you're essentially giving Wilder 12 full rounds of opportunity to connect his shots. So the law of probability would say that eventually something lands and he most likely wins. Tactical mistake, in my opinion.

    I say, you don't give Wilder space and time to attack. Fight real close on the inside and aggressively smother him. Constantly put Wilder on the defensive and never let him get his offense going.

    If Wilder is constantly having to defend himself and being pushed back, he won't be able to attack. Wilder's defense is already **** poor as it is and can be exploited. When you look at a lot of Wilder's fights, not often do you see his opponents employing the strategy of pushing him back.

    Like seriously, how many times have you seen Wilder fight on the back foot? His game plan & his objective is always the same. Try to land the big right.

    And being pushed back and forced to fight an inside battle does not bode well to that objective.

    Wilder is also not very good on the inside at all, nor does he posses crisp short combos, he has no uppercut or crisp hooks. He has only one shot, the straight right and to be in a phone booth battle does not lend itself well for him to do that.

    Also, think about it, how many Wilder fights were fought on the inside? How many phone booth battles has Wilder fought in?

    In the Wilder/Fury 2 rematch, I think Fury should fight him on the inside and Fury actually has a much better inside game than Wilder and he's bigger & heavier which would be good attributes for fighting an inside game.

    That's my 2 cents
     
  2. UFC2015

    UFC2015 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Lol, i think Brazzeale tried that and paid the price. His power is the best in history.
     
  3. tommyg6

    tommyg6 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    That's because Brazeale is slow as **** and couldn't close the distance fast enough.
     
  4. Lesion of Doom

    Lesion of Doom Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Wilder opponents have won 85% of the rounds in his last three fights. His boxing has devolved from the improvements in Stiverne I into pure stalker punching.

    So I think the gameplans against him have been right on point. Guys just have to be near perfect defensively, but at this stage he's easy to outbox for a world class fighter.

    Ruiz obviously would try as you suggest, and frankly I think Joshua should too.
     
  5. Aydamn

    Aydamn Dillian Da Dissappointment Full Member

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    You are very smart, exactly my thoughts.

    You cant beat Wilder by being mobile or perfect for 12 rounds, and you must have punch power.

    You have to maul Wilder from round 1 and again in 2,3,4 until he is knocked out or you are knocked out

    You must keep it short distance and stalk hommdont give him enough space to deploy a right

    His hooks arent as strong as his right hands,. They can be absorbed so you keep him in the corner or ropes and just maul him

    best defense is an offense against Wilder, Fury was extremely lucky to have survived... being mobile will do jack **** because Wilder will land


    Dillian Whyte is the perfect man for the job because of his KO power, counterpunching ability, variety of shots with left hook,. Cross, jab and body shots that all deal significant damage.. and the pressure that Whyte puts on his opponents

    He doesnt take rounds off, and he loves a good scrap

    Whyte wouldnt take it easy with Wilder like he did Chisora or Rivas he would maul Wilder from round 1 he would catch him early and push him back whilst keeping the distance short

    He wouldnt stay static he would shoulder roll, move head etc

    This is how you beat Wilder and Whyte had the style

    AJ can do it too but he needs to find a middleground between the style he used in Ruiz 2 and his style against Dillian Whyte
     
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  6. Cally

    Cally Sand...sand... nothing but sand! Full Member

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    You gotta bulldoze him, no doubt about it.
     
  7. Aydamn

    Aydamn Dillian Da Dissappointment Full Member

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    Exaclty Breazeale flopped hard, he made all the wrong moves stalking wilder by plodding forward and waiting for an opportunity to strike rather than making the opportunity

    He was so static with his body just standing there he was a very easy KO

    So hesitant to engage.. very dumb mentality

    You must not hesitate or be cautious against Wilder because Wilder will just time you and catch you eventually

    gotta catch him off guard and make it a rough fight and keep the pressure

    dont give him time off EVER
     
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  8. Big Ukrainian

    Big Ukrainian Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Actually, no. Breazeale probably tried it, but he is so slow on his feet that it was a very easy job for Wilder to keep Dominic far from him. Wilder prepared the punch (or 1-2 combo) that KTFOed Breazeale from the long distance:
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    Fighters who cut the distance off more efficiently than Breazeale lasted much longer against Wilder. And Wilder's power didn't look as destructive on the close distance as it looks when he throws that right hand with a full leverage.

    Johannes Dupaupas was the best of all Wilder's opponents at cutting the distance and he had a lot of success inside. Yes, he took a lot of punishment in the process, but those Wilder's blows were punishing but not destructive
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    And even shot Chris Arreola was able to last 8 full rounds against Wilder because he cut the distance prety effectively. Wilder's needs a distance for his punches to be destructive:
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  9. sauhund II

    sauhund II Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yeah that is all nice and dandy but he has improved since then, only a blind hater would deny that.

    For a all out assault against Wilder you need a granite chin......AJ or Whyte aint got it, both have been knocked out, rag dolled and hit the deck against mediocre punchers...plus one more time Ruiz is NOT a hard puncher, sharp yes, hard no.

    Ruiz might have the chin but his feet are stuck in cement and he does not move his head and takes too many flush shots to land his own...he will never close the distance and eventually those right hands take their toll, Wilder punches harder than AJ, without questions.

    Whyte is as open as a barn door, nasty face down KO, that is a border line miss match, he is tailor made for Wilder to shine.

    Fury has the tools but not the chin as evidenced when they fought, his brain had never been rattled like that ever, and he has been MIA since that fight and is not too keen to get into the Ring with Wilder anytime soon no matter what he tweets or spouts off in interviews.
     
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  10. Big Ukrainian

    Big Ukrainian Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Duhaupas chin wasn't exactly granite to say at least. He was knocked out cold by Povetkin and was dropped by a cruiserweight journeyman. His chin is good but not granite. Yes, he may take a more punishment than AJ or Whyte would be able to take, but they wouldn't need to take 11 rounds of punishment to get to Wilder's chin, which is FAR from good as well.
     
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  11. sauhund II

    sauhund II Boxing Addict Full Member

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    What is you point? He got knocked out taking enormous punishment...that takes something out of ANY fighter and it is irrelevant what happens later in their careers........a not on all cylinders firing Mike Tyson waxed Alex stewart in one but the greatest puncher of all time, some claim, George Foreman could not keep him on the deck and went 10.....


    If you think walking Heavybag Whyte is finding and testing Wilders chin then we should cease talking right now, that is pure fantasy, I almost feel sorry for Whyte because he will be brutally polaxed
     
  12. thabanga510

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    Duhaupas didn't take those knockdowns until after Wilder beat his brains in for 12 rounds. Fighters are not the same after they face Wilder. Also did anyone not see how much shorter the right hand that dropped Ortiz was?
     
  13. Aydamn

    Aydamn Dillian Da Dissappointment Full Member

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    You seem to think Wilder cant be beat just because 40 twats tried

    Im sure 40 disabled dwarfs would also fair the same

    But maybe if he fought a hard hitting top opponent...
     
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  14. Big Ukrainian

    Big Ukrainian Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I'm not saying AJ wil definitely beat Wilder, let alone Whyte. In fact, I'd slightky favor AJ to beat Wilder and heavily favor Wilder to beat Whyte. I'm jut saying the right strategy for both AJ and Whyte would be to put Wilder under pressure instead of boxing him - I'm 100% sure in this
     
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  15. Big Ukrainian

    Big Ukrainian Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The knockdown was before Duhaupas faced Wilder, Povetkin KO was after