The Welterweights

I hear you man. I dont discredit Willaims after losing to Quintana, instead I gave Cotto that much more credit for beating him as bad as he did. Now that we saw Carlos beat a SOLID welter (Willaims) we see him for who he really is. Also, people didnt give Mosley much credit for kicking Luis Colazo's ass, but I thought it was a very good win for him. Colazo is pretty good, he give Hatton hell (I forgot, Hatton is overrated too! Taking credit away from Hatton is my personal favorite, soon as he lost to Mayweather lots of people dropped him from the rankings, when lots of people including me thought he had a chance of beating Floyd)

 

The only thing is that I never really gave Cintron much credit, because I always knew he was a fighter with a small heart. Plus the Feliciano fiasco was too much to ever change my opinion of him

 

Dawg, you are 100% correct. I'm sure somewhere along the line I may have fallen into that category despite trying hard not to. But what you have written should remind us all of how not to think.

When fighters fight the best within their division, someone has to lose. But losing should not discount a fighter as being good/great themselves. It just means they took on a greater fighter.

 

Lol you never seen that one? Man Feliciano sucks, but he has a pretty good chin. Cintron couldnt knock him out at first, so he got discouraged. It looked like he didnt even want to fight no more, and Feliciano was all showin off. He even did the wind up arm thing and hit him with a punch! And soon as the fight was over he started rolling on the floor bitching about how he hurt his hand. It was a terrible night for Kermit Conrton

 

Sometimes its hard not to do that isnt it

 

I think welter is a very strong division, particularly at prospect and gatekeeper level. The gatekeepers at welter are much stronger than in other divisions.

Is there a better gatekeeper than Luis Collazo?

I'm struggling.

I always thought Cintron was a weasel - the Margo II fight sealed it for me.

 

I never understood the slating of Cintron. He has been beaten twice, and by the same man. Margo just has his number; all fighters struggle with particular styles. He can come back.

The Williams bashing is a bit more excusable for me (even though I never did it) because he was such a hot favourite for the fight (unlike Cintron goin in with Margo) and the fact that he had been hyped up quite a bit on the back of his win over Margo ("the guy to beat Mayweather" and that kind of stuff). However, I believe Williams will be back too.

 

i think the thing is..cintron hasn't beaten anyone named yet.

 

That is a fair point:good

What I'm really trying to say is that having a guy like Cintron hanging about in the middle-to-bottom part of the division says how strong that particular division is. He has beaten both Estrada and Matthyse, who in any other division would be classed as quality gatekeeper material (although as you stated not name opponents).

Time will tell whether he really has the stuff to mix it with the rest of the best (as I said, Margo's style was all wrong for him; he might do better against someone else).

 

That's because this board is Floyd crazy, yet instead of wanting to see him test himself against the best, people on this board don't want him to fight anyone that poses any kind of a threat so they attempt to discredit every possible opponent.

 

The issue with Kermit came up when he faught residental punching bag Jesse Feliciano on the undercard of Fernado/Ricardo.

It was a keep busy fight while he prepared to face Paul Williams in Feburary...then he struggles to put away a guy like Feliciano and showed the mental lapses that plagued him before.

He beats Feliciano but questions are raised about him again...now certainly he could dispell those questions with a win over Paul Williams who was riding high off a win over Antonio "Most feared welter" Margarito. Instead the fight gets postponed because of his injury. Paul Williams and co (Dan Goosen?) say they'll postpone the fight til Cintron is good to go.

Kermit comes up lame and pulls out of the fight...which is sketchy after a rough performance. Still he's injured so noone can really go off about it.

THEN a week or so later he releases some youtube video calling out all the top welters except Paul Williams, essentially sealing the deal that he ducked Paul.

THAT was when things really soured on him...and choosing to rematch Margarito showed balls but no brains.

He's not done..and lord knows he can always get better...I just think most of us are tired of waiting for him to turn the corner.

 

Gotcha:good

 

Styles make fights .Paul williams length kept margo off him that doesn't mean
cotto can too he's shorter comes forward and does not fight his best go backwards.If margo can back him up he can win.Cotto is a brutal body puncher,and quintana is weak to the body cotto discouraged him early and then finish him but paul williams who throws punches just to throw alot times leaves hisself open to good counter guys.with a limited body arsenal he couldn't discourage quintana thus the points lost .his length would give cotto lots of trouble Zab would give paul williams tons of trouble might ko him early Zab has the most underated power in the Division shane should beware too. Zabs biggest problem is his corner his dad keeps him unstable and just yells in the corner without any clear instructions.I said all that to say i agree this division is still the top of boxing