The were they great wins debate... Certain good even great fighters get credit for certain wins (rightfully). Their fans site these names to suit their agendas but fail to tell the full story. You know the threads. So for example many when talking about Roy Jones point to his win over Hopkins. A great fighter when his career is assessed, but was that a great win? At that time Hopkins didn't win a world title in his next attempt after that loss. Another example is Carl Froch beating George Groves but that was a world class fighter in tough fight against a British level fighter who lost his next 2 world title attempts So were they good, great or decent wins Jones win over Hopkins Frochs win over Groves Give some other examples and put the question forward Wilders win over Ortiz? Discuss