the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread.

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Mantequilla, Nov 20, 2009.


  1. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Devon Alexander UD10 Marcos Maidana

    Fascinating fight for being so one-sided, mainly due to Alexander who is at a real crossroads now. This is his best performance for year, and if Maidana is to keep his journeyman status at 147, Alexander just thrashed the gatekeeper. Still, there a questions, his temperament, 12 round stamina at 147 (looks good though) and can he maintain that fluidity against someone who wants to hit him back more? What can he do if they deprive him of his beloved clinching? Can he sort out that jab?

    ALEXANDER: 1,4,5,6,7,8,9,10
    MAIDANA: 2,3
     
  2. Kalasinn

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    Ergh I was way too tired, I see your point now.
     
  3. frankenfrank

    frankenfrank Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Jose Luis Ramirez vs Alexis Arguello .
    rds 1-5 even with Arguello more of d aggressor and Ramirez having d better of landed punches , rd 6 is a 10-8 4 Ramirez , rd 9 i could excuse 4 Arguello and rd 10 even again , all in all
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    , d least he could b given 4 this fight . If anything , he had more case winning a few of d early rds , thus increasing d gap 4 his favor .
     
  4. The Wanderer

    The Wanderer Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Alexander did look good through much of that fight, especially about round 5 on. I wonder if that bout has permanently put Maidana in the role of gatekeeper, because aside from maybe Berto I can't envision him doing well against the big names at Welter or Jr. Middle. (And the only reason I throw Berto's name out there is because Berto is so flatfooted and much less defensively savvy on the inside. Iif anything Berto would have more of a handspeed advantage than Alexander and better power also.)

    Alexander did show one or two of his old flaws, (mainly being tight and stiff early) but in terms of punch output, variety, defense, using counterpunching, stamina and his defensive skills, it looked like a big improvement from his last few fights.
     
  5. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    I thought Maidana was basically a gatekeeper at 140 tbh. That belt he's wandering around with is WBA, to whit, joke.

    Alexander's jab is horrible, but other than that I thought he looked great.
     
  6. The Wanderer

    The Wanderer Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Good point about the belt.

    The difference as I see it is that before now is Maidana managed to beat enough prospects or throw enough of a scare into highly rated fighters that you could at least make the argument for him as being crude, awkward and dangerous.

    Since the Morales fight I think people have been realizing that he's only dangerous if you're crazy enough to try to meet him head on in a slugfest or if you neglect your defense. With Alexander having just shown how effective simple clinching is against him on the inside and how a little head movement and counter punching can cut him down to size, people are going to see that Maidana, no matter how hard he hits, isn't very dangerous to a top level talent if you just use your brain.

    By the way McGrain, do you see him beating any major name at Welter? Maybe he can snag another WBA belt but aside from Berto and Ortiz (if Ortiz didn't learn anything from their previous encounter) I have a hard time picturing him beating anyone of note.

    Yeah, he still flicks the jab and pulls it up short. Do you think there'll be any work there, or is that something that's going to be hard to iron out of Devon's style?
     
  7. Flea Man

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    Alexander needs to stop moaning like a female tennis player before/when he throws. Someone's gonna' time that **** soon.
     
  8. McGrain

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    Yeah, I think they both could do so, I think they are interesting additions to the division anyway.

    I hope they work on it. It's a disaster if they don't. People just walk up to him and hit him when he's tired :lol:
     
  9. McGrain

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    Alexander Povetkin MD12 Marco Huck

    The thinking is that Huck got trolled here and I reckon maybe so. Weird tension in this fight in spite of the fact that it isn't very good and Huck's rambling offence is qauite fun. Remember all that seeming bull**** Atlas talked about Povetkin "not having an identity yet"? True, isn't it?

    Marco Huck: 1,4,5,7,8,10,11,12
    Alexander Povetkin:2,3,6,9

    HUCK 8-4.
     
  10. Vic-JofreBRASIL

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    Chan-Hee Park vs Miguel Canto

    Round 1 – 10-9 park
    Round 2 – 10-9 park
    Round 3- 10-9 park..at this point probably Canto is thinking “This pendejo really can fight !!” This round is close though
    Round 4- 10-9 Canto
    Round 5- 10-9 park
    Round 6- 10-9 park
    Round 7- 10-9 park
    Round 8 – 10-9 park
    Round 9 – 10-9 park – close
    Round 10-10-9 park….love the way he puts this uppercut.
    Round 11- 10-9 park – close…nice uppercut by canto
    Round 12 – 10-9 park
    Round 13- 10-9 park

    Park is very tired now....
    Round 14- 10-9 canto – close
    Round 15- 10-9 canto

    Park 12-3 IMO

    Canto had his moments..but this korean is really good !

    Park not bothered by Canto´s jabs with his very good upper body movement he makes Canto miss a lot.....good positioning too.....always ready to land.....his attack seems sometimes a bit awkward, but damn he is effective....
    Park cutting off the ring well, I really like Park´s jab as well….great counter-punches during the fight.....
    This is a Great performance ! He was tired in the later rounds, but before that he really dominated, he did very very well against an amazing boxer like Canto.....

    Anyone else watched it ?

    Chan-Hee Park.....a interesting fighter to know.....
     
  11. Foreman Hook

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    XPERT-scorecard i agree m8. :thumbsup
     
  12. sweet_scientist

    sweet_scientist Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Park was a super talented fighter. Kind of like a 10 round (instead of 6 round) Zab Judah - as far as mental strength and talent goes, anyway. He did choke away some fights in his career he should never have lost, but still had a very good career all things considered.

    Canto of course was not near his best here - his timing was non-existent. A Park type fighter would always cause problems for Miguel Canto though with his speed and combinations. But it would have been interesting to see if a prime Canto could have at least stayed close enough to Park to cause Park to melt down.

    Apparently their rematch was much closer, so I'd be inclined to think that prime Canto could indeed turn the tide.
     
  13. Vic-JofreBRASIL

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    :good Yeah...Canto´s speed was still good enough IMO, but his timing was not there anymore like you said, agreed......
    There is more Park fights on youtube.....will watch more tomorrow.....
     
  14. frankenfrank

    frankenfrank Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Since i read **** about Holmes beating McCall here we go (not b4 i watched Lewis vs Akinwande) :
    McCall : rds 1,5,9 (rd 9 is a 10-8 due 2 only d ropes holding holmes upright , snapping holmes' head wildly while on d ropes , cutting and busting his face) , 10 , 11
    Holmes : rds 2,6,7
    d rest were even , so d fight is scored
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    , there is a case 4 mccall winning yet more rds due 2 holmes holding d ropes and being punished and outworked while on them , plus , according d UWFi rules touching d ropes costs 1 a pt but i was as generous as i could excluding a robbery and scored it this way .
     
  15. Flea Man

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    Haven't seen the rematch but I think I had it 12-3 as well Vic. Brilliant performance from Park, who didn't turn up in the first Oguma fight and was promptly executed for his lack of drive.

    I still havent seen the Canto-Park rematch :patsch