the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread.

I've always thought Maxim was an overrated fighter as well.Though that was certainly one of his worst performances.

One of the guys from that era that genuinely gets too much props from having mixed with everyone and had a long deep career.Sure that's great to a point and gives him advantages over many more modern fighters and he was tough as hell, but he was just never that talented.

If he'd been from a slightly more modern era with all that entails in terms of amount of fights etc there's no way he'd be as highly regarded.A Virgil Hill or Henry Maske at best( if he could get hold of a belt in a weaker period) or an only marginally remembered\praised Finnegan or Fourie if he was in a deeper era.In fact i think all of them were better than him.

 

He sure didn't impress in this one. A slightly more mobile heavybag is what he was. Bleh.

 

Hector Camacho Edwin Rosario

10-9
10-9
10-9
10-10
9-10
9-10
10-9
9-10
10-9
9-10
9-10
9-10

114-115

 

Recently watched that fight again. First time i had Leonard edging it, but my most recent viewing left me with 114-114 even.

 

Today it was Ralph "Tiger" Jones taking a ten-round decision from a comebacking Sugar Ray Robinson, from (I think) 1952, maybe '53. Anyway, Jones was the clear winner 6-3-1 on my card. For the first six or seven rounds, Robinson's patented flurries were missing and his legs didn't seem to want to carry him they way they had before his first retirement. Jones jabbed his way in well and banged Robinson with both hands. Ray fired back in spurts, but he just couldn't sustain anything.

Robinson started to dance a bit and string together some nice combinations starting in the eighth, but by then Jones had quite a lead, and it seemed to be done more in desperation than anything.

This was one of those fights that to me shows without question how much better the rank and file fighters were then compared to now. Jones had lost five straight coming into that bout, but showed really good skills, very solid workmanship so badly missing in today's fringe and journeyman fighters. Jones would give any of today's middleweights a huge run for their money and beat most outright, but back then five guys who probably wouldn't even sniff a title fight at the time took his measure before he got to Robinson. You couldn't sleep on anyone back then, so few easy touches. That's why I roll my eyes when someone argues that all these fights they took back then were mostly meaningless because they were all against tomato cans. They are forgetting that the situation was different then; a journeyman then would outclass most fringe contenders of today's ilk, and what passes for a contender today would be considered a journeyman then, and that's being kind. The ante was raised to the degree that I'd say yes...........if they fought 100 fights against today's fighters, you bet. Pretty meaningless. Back then, almost everyone was a threat. Don't believe it? Go watch Jones in this fight. That's a guy that had lost five straight going into that match.


Now get off my lawn.

 

Orzubek Nazarov vs Dingaan Thobela I

N---T
10-9
10-9
10-9
8-10
10-9
9-10
10-9
10-9
10-9
10-8
10-9
10-9

117-109 Nazarov * 116-110 Nazarov

* Around half the rounds were close but clear enough to decidedly give it to someone aside from the 2nd round which really could be given to either guy. If given to Thobela then it's 116-110 Nazarov.

Rd 4 Nazarov coming forward walks right into a left hook he doesn't see at all and gets dropped. He's literally up by the count of 1 and looks clear headed and fine but the round ends right away. Don't think he wa hurt.

Rd 9 by the end of this round Nazarov's eye is almost completely shut

Rd 10 Nazarov legit hurts Thobela 2x and then drops him later in the round with a nice right hook while chasing him down.

Rd 11 Nazarov legit hurts Thobela again

Rd 12 Thobela starts clinching like crazy worse than Ruiz. The body punching and all around punishment has taken its effect the last couple rounds and he wants no more, just to finish the fight already.

Nazarov's body punching played a big factor, the first 3 rounds were close and in the 4th Nazarov took control with great body punching which also opened up more headshots for him. He really dominated the 4th up until getting dropped in the last 10 seconds. I scored it 10-8 Thobela giving him full credit for the KD but if you were going to only score it 10-9 due to the guy getting dropped having dominated the rest of the round this would be a good example. Nazarov got away from the body punch for the next few rounds but around the 8th started really working it again, hurting Thobela and took over the fight. Nazarov hurting Thobela as much as he did really speaks for his power considering Thobela won a belt at SMW and went 12 rounds with Kessler. It sounds like Nazarov beat him up even worse in their rematch.

Very entertaining fight and im really hoping Flea got his hands on the rematch and will share with us.

 

Watched Hagler-Watts I on youtube. I know this one is always touted as a huge screw job on Hagler but honestlyt, I saw it as a very close fight. Not what I would call a robbery at all. I did have Hagler winning 6 rounds to 4, but that's a close fight, and Hagler wasn't particularly effective in cutting off the ring on Watts, allowing him room to move and flurry quite a bit. This loss and the legend that's been built up around it as a travesty might be more a product of that whole persecution complex we know Hagler had, because I've seen many, many worse calls than this. Particularly being fought in Watts' hometown, I can't see much room for him to ***** about it. Good scrap though.

 

aye, i agree.Never thought Hagler Watts was a terrible robbery.Just a controversial decision 6-4 either way sort of bout.Hagler looked like a poor man's Kalule trying to get his shots off on the front-foot against the mobile Watts.

 

Lora, your screen name reminded me I had never seen any Miguel Lora, despite being so entrenched in 80's fighters. His fights were never aired on TV, at least out west here. All I had to go on were some complimentary boxing magazine reports on his fights.

Yesterday I watched the Avelar and Zaragoza matches. He was sensational against the seemingly timeless Avelar, who I know dated back quite a ways from there, so I would imagine he was pretty dilapidated by then, but from what I have seen of Avelar he'd be hard pressed to ever beat footwork like that anyway. Great movement from Lora, and he shows good power and strings punches together well. I could do without the "Hey, look at me; I'm Wilfredo Gomez" clowning which I saw in both fights, but he was certainly worth watching. Wish more of him was available.

He was less effective, naturally, against a still young Zaragoza (he still had hair, that's how I know), but a lot of that may have been the southpaw adjustment showing, not sure. I thought Lora maybe loaded up a bit too much and was banking on a few big shots to carry the day for him when he could have chopped Zaragoza down a bit more methodically, but hard to fault the man for a title-winning effort.

 

how'd you score it? think i had it 115-112 lopez :thumbsup

 

Pernell Whitaker vs Buddy McGirt I
Pernell Whitaker vs Roger Mayweather

Love Whitaker's jab. Really can't think of many fighters who would have been able to beat this guy.

 

Watched the second Saldivar-Winstone fight just now. I stopped scoring after the tenth, as I only awarded two rounds to Winstone, and by then Saldivar was building up a head of steam and winning the rounds by wider and wider margins. Tough kid, that Winstone.

 

Julian Jackson vs Buster Drayton

Damn, jackson had some skills. Started watching for the KO but this was a bit of a treat...a mini brawl from the opening bell. Jackson's stamina was so-so at times, he would throw blistering combos but the then gas and he's damn lucky drayton was tired/hurt most of the those times himself because he would leave himself wide open. Almost as if he'd empty his salo and figure "whatever he throws back, i can handle". He ate a fair share of hooks in exchanges and jabs when finishing his attacks and managed them well. He has a chinny reputation and he was stung a couple of times but i think he has a decent beard.

What impressed me, other than the obvious, was his handspeed and fundamentals. Hands up, doubling the jab, and very good sense of timing. He would start combos with the jab and when drayton's head movement preventing his Jackson's right hook (i refuse to call it a cross) he dug to the body...often and hard.

He defense was ok but his offense was tremendous. I wonder if he could've fared better against McCallum if he DIDN'T sting him early and instead boxed a bit more and waited for his chance

 

I watched this a couple days ago never having seen it and didn't expect what i saw which was a certified war. Pete's defense was also very conventional looking with almost none of his trademark upperbody movement. Got me excited to see more of his especially the McGirt fights.

Mike said he had the fastest handspeed of anyone he fought and its a much overlooked aspect of his game. Jackson has near perfect punching technique imo and is one of the best examples to watch of a fighter generating leverage on his punches along with Louis. Would have been hard to have boxed Mike though since he came out and went right at him, can't imagine Jackson expected that nor Mike being able to stand up to his onslaught which says everything about McCallum. How many fighters would go right at a prime Jackson and try to walk him down, not many, just unfortunate that he ran into two iron chins capable of it during his own era in Mike and GMan

 

Just finished Pintor-Hurricane Teru. If someone asked what Pintor was all about and to recommend a fight of his to get a sense of him as a fighter, I'd probably pick this one. Prototypical Pintor performance. He starts slow here as normal, letting his game Japanese challenger build up a head of steam as he fights in flurries and even stings the champion once or twice.

Pintor has a great grasp of the 15-round distance however, and patiently puts his shots together while waiting out his challenger's early energy expenditure.

Pintor really starts to put it together in the eighth round, and he starts landing more cleanly, and for the first time begins to move Teru with his punches. The challenger is tiring, but rallies for a good 11th round. Pintor just keeps his steady, patient attack going though, and floors Teru in the 13th after putting a massive beating on him for the duration of the round. Teru gamely tries to fight back in the 14th, but his legs are gone. Pintor floors him again in the 15th, and the referee rescues Teru.

Good fight.