the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread.

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Mantequilla, Nov 20, 2009.


  1. Mendoza

    Mendoza Hrgovic = Next Heavyweight champion of the world. banned Full Member

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    I would like to see a score of Ali vs Shavers.
     
  2. les

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    watched lewis vs holyfield 1+2.lewis won the first fight so clearly they had to give him might have gotthe 2nd one even though he may well have lost it.if the 1st was the 2nd then holyfield may have got the decision
     
  3. itrymariti

    itrymariti CaƱas! Full Member

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    I don't know why anybody would score that fight for Holyfield; he just wasn't active enough to make enough of the rounds close. Even if you give all the close rounds to him, Lewis would still have deserved the D IMO.

    However, it was obvious to me at least that Holyfield was completely washed-up at the time. Not a great win by any means.
     
  4. anarci

    anarci Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    OK i just watched the Arguello-Chacon fight. Im big fans of both, although Chacon in in my top 3 all time favs. Ok i thought Chacons corner stopped this too fast, he didnt like the stoppage either, ive seen hurt much worse in other fights. Although Arguello did hurt him at the end of the last 2 rounds and looked like it was a matter of time however. Chacon was still in his senses and fighting back.

    Round 1. Chacon was a little busier landing some pawing left jabs and going to the body, Argullo landing with a couple one twos here and there. Kind of feeling out round but edge to Chacon 10-9

    Round 2. Arguello landing some the harder crisper shots hear, although Chacon showing his underrated boxing skills here and his slipping a lot of shots the uneducated eye may not seen. Still Arguello is getting through. Arguello 10-9 Even 19-19

    Round 3. I love the way Arguello always looks cool,collected and confident even when he is getting outworked. HE is a fighter that is very confident in knowing that he will come thru. Arguello is showing great ring generalship but Chacon more aggressive and stages rally at the end. close round Chacon. Chacon 10-9 29-28 Chacon

    Round 4 Kind of a repeat of the earlier rounds here but i like Arguellos harder shots another close round edge to Arguello 10-9
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    Round 5 Good round Chacon landing some beautiful combinations and landing his right hand alot this one not close and most decisive round so far 10-9 Chacon Chacon 48-47

    Round 6 This round very good for Arguello looks like a sign of things to come he hurts Chacon at the end Arguello 10-9
    Even 57-57

    Round 7 Bobby comes back but a little after is caught by a left hand and goes down. Arguello moving in like the cool calculated assasin he is has Chacon hurt . Chacon stages a good comeback rally but Arguello rallys and batters Chacon at the end.


    Stopped at the end of 7 the cut didnt look to bad and Chacon wanted to fight. Although Chacon was hurt a few times in the last couple rounds . The big left in the testament to Arguellos great power since Bobby almost always showed a steel chin, he was legitimately hurt after that. Bobby probably would have lasted a couple rounds had they let it go on, although the end looked inevitable, especially knowing Arguello. We know Chacon was the comeback king but that would have been unlikely against Arguello, unless he took some of what Pryors famous concoction:lol::-(
     
  5. McGrain

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    Roman Gonzalez UD12 Katsunari Takayama.

    Great scrap this. Gonzalez is firmly outsped both in terms of footspeed and handspeed. As a pressure fighter with boxing skill he has to tread the line between being out-run and outflurried. He sets out to box carefully in 1, but gets out-flurried and out-landed. His adapts in two with a very aggressive rushing fight plan reliant almost totally upon his left hand, but it means fighting a very untidy fight, which didn't seem to agree with him. Takayama continues to judge the range really well whilst Gonzalez continues to struggle as much as i've ever seen, missing frequently and looking over-extended in the process.

    Takayama has to use up a lot of energy both out-working Gonzalez at middle-distance and staying on the run...whenever he stands still things get bad for him. The fight is so evenly balanced, with Takayama's advantage in speed birthing an advantage in styles and this seeming to negate Roman's advantage in terms of pure quality, but in six, Gonzalez cuts Takayama badly with a punch whilst bulling him across the ring. The cut is bad.

    By 8 Gonzalez has Takayama beaten, basically, the relentless pressure and Takayama's fatigue meaning he has to fight in the pocket far more than he would like. In there, Gonzalez is the boss, and Takayama didn't take a round on my card.

    Still the back-and-forth in who was bossing the range and tempo made it a fascinating fight, and I think that the judges cards, all seeing it 10-2 for Gonzalez was a little harsh. I had it 8-4.

    GONZALEZ: 2, 4, 6, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12
    TAKAYAMA: 1, 3, 5, 7

    Takayama showed a lot of heart to bring it home, a lot of guys these days would have quit.
     
  6. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    McGrain, you seen any Niko Joyi fights?
     
  7. McGrain

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    Not as good as Gonzalez, but that's a really really difficult fight to call should it happen.
     
  8. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    I agree, Flea thinks Joyi is better, but I prefer the more fluid attacks of Gonzalez. I think it would be a greta fight if they did meet up.
     
  9. McGrain

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    Gonzalez is going to struggle against top flight southpaws, I feel, but I also feel that anyone who is going to beat him at 105 or 108 MUST make him miss, a lot, to do it.
     
  10. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    Why doyou think he struggles with lefties?

    I agree on making him miss. Joyi IMO doesnt have that great of defence he is there to be hit, he is a good counterpuncher though.
     
  11. McGrain

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    Against a pressure fighter of Gonzalez's boxing class it's not even a case of having a good defence unless you are also his equal or near-equal on offence, because he'll thread them in. You need to be elusive with your body.

    When Gonzalez leads with his left, he keeps his right glued to his jaw, but when he leads with is right, which is often, the left hand strays. He looks a littel vulnerable to the right hook. Also, the first time Gonzalez was extended the distance was by Japaneese southpaw Hrioshi Matsumoto. Matsumoto is as tough as Scouser living in Pollockshields, but Gonzalez was the tiniest bit puzzled I think. Put it this way, a fighter of his class, so on top that he won every single round, it's a puzzle that he didn't put Matsumoto away...especially as he's been stopped twice since.

    And Matsumoto has no hook at all to speak off. Still, that experience will stand him in good stead.
     
  12. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    I'll need to check it out.
     
  13. McGrain

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    Joyi-Gonzalez won't happen anyway i'm afraid. Two more easier defences for Gonzalez, then up to 108. Hope he fights Calderon. I'd pick Gonzalez to beat him right now. 108 is where he will make his bones, if he does. I fear he's far to loyal to the WBA though.
     
  14. GPater11093

    GPater11093 Barry Full Member

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    Agreed there on all accounts. I've said for a while he beats Calderon, i actually think Gonzalez is one of the most talented fighters around today.