the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread.

You're correct that none of the judges scored a round even. They all had it 133-133 (7-7) after 14, and two gave Holmes the 15th, while one saw it for Norton,

 

Tex Cobb Vs Holmes and Norton..Interesting!

 

still can't figure out if its tysons timing after the prison time...or mathis's superb slippery fish-like way of evading punches....or a bit of both...

i think a bit of both..

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It's a relief to know that I'm not the only one who thinks that stories of Witherspoon being 'robbed' against Holmes are a load of cobblers!

Had my first go at scoring the fight about three years ago and came up with 115-113 to Holmes. Shared those views on another forum, got roundly trashed for it. So watched it again about three months back and, once more, my card had Larry 115-113 up.

Just can't see what the big fuss was. Sure, 'Spoon put together some lovely moves at times, and obviously had Holmes badly hurt in the ninth. But he was pretty lazy at other times throughout the fight as well. His shell defence was working pretty nicely, but he seemed to forget that he actually needed to try throwing some punches from time to time, too! It was typical Witherspoon, really; had his best round in the ninth, and then followed it up by doing slightly less than nothing in the tenth.

Holmes wasn't at his best and it wasn't one of his finest performances, but he clearly did enough to outwork and out hustle the younger man in what was still a close one, for me. The card which had Holmes winning 118-111 was a disgrace, mind you.

Anyway, revisited a couple of Victor Galindez fights recently (massive fan of Victor). First one against Lopez and the fight against Gregory (Eddie Mustafa Muhammad) as well. Both cited as contentious or even controversial wins for Galindez, but I don't think Lopez could have any complaints. I scored it 144-142 to Galindez. Lopez's jab deteriorated as the fight went on, and that's what cost him, I think.

Came as a bit of a surprise to myself when I had Galindez 143-142 up at the end against Gregory, though (that's including the two points Gregory lost, one for the knockdown and the one he had deducted for fouls). When I watched it a couple of years back, I'd had Gregory ahead at the end.

I thought Gregory had the perfect style to beat Galindez and shut him out for the first four rounds, just not giving any openings. I think it was telling that, the very moment he abandoned his game plan for the first time and opened up to fight on Galindez's terms, he got knocked on to his backside. A couple of the late rounds (11th and 15th) were very tricky to score, I felt, but in general it was the back end of the fight where Gregory threw it away a little as his tactical game failed him.

 

Salvador Sanchez vs Ruben Castillo.

This was a great fight, well worth a watch. We know that Sanchez is one of the greats, but Castillo puts in a terrific performance in a close competitive fight. Its a shame Castillo was never able to pick up a belt, the guy could box.


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Leonard-Hagler

I scored it a draw, with a slight edge to Leonard. Such an enjoyable viewing.

 

Whitaker-Chavez

118-111 Whitaker

What a freakin' robbery.

 

Watched and scored the James Toney vs Dave Tiberi fight yesterday and my conclusion was that Alex Wallou has to be the most biased shittest boxing commentator/judge I've ever heard. He made it sound like Tiberi was dominating Toney the entire way while pretty much every round was close aside from the first which was clearly in Toney's favor. I scored it 7-5 for Toney and 7-4 overall because a point was taken from Tiberi. I felt though Tiberi out worked Toney, Toney still was landing the much cleaner shots and was able to block a lot of Tiberi's punches. Tiberi fought an excellent fight for a limited fighter and Toney fought exceptionally bad for an extremely talented fighter but I still felt he was able to pull out more of the rounds. It was a very entertaining fight an the terrible commentating from Alex Wallou slightly hinders this as at the end he refers to it as a disgusting decision which it wasn't.

I've become a huge fan of Toney's over the last while watching his career set and I feel he was robbed on a number of occasions. I thought he won both the draw with Sanderline Williams and Mike McCallum pretty handily. I also felt he clearly won the two fights with Montell Griffin. The fight with Drake Thadzi I haven't scored yet but it felt like to me that Toney slightly got the better of it though it was very close I'll have to watch it and score it. I had Toney one round ahead of Rahman in there bout and I also had him one round ahead of Peter in there first match up. I guess I'm the kinda judge that favors defense and clean effective punches as oppose to a fighter who is the aggressor but in my eyes not an effective aggressor.

 

2nd half of Barrera vs Juarez

What a battle it became as Juarez was in his typical getting out boxed mode when he suddenly came alive and started landing on Barrera, all seemed to start after it appeared Barrera suffered a broken nose.

Juarez began to land hard short punches and dragged Barrera into an all out war. Rounds 9, 10, and 11 all had savage exchanges. Barrera worn out fought the 12th round like he needed it but both men looked worn down and the last round was an ok finish

Barrera had piled up an early lead

it was the one fight where we saw what juarez could do if he got busy with his hands

 

Last 3 rounds of Dawson vs Johnson I

What a barrage Johnson landed in the 10th, Im surprised Dawson stayed on his feet

But then in 11 and 12 while appearing to be gassed and out on his feet he got in some hard right hooks and crosses and created some phenomenal 2 way traffic

Dawson is accused of having no heart and that he cant fight..maybe they are right but in these rounds Dawson does what a lot say he cant and he was in the trenches and went to war and survived

good finish

 

Duran Leonard 1
had it 145-141 or 10-4-1 Duran. Judges had it too close

And the rematch I scored 67-66 Leonard before the 8th round when Duran quit.

 

Paul Williams vs Sergio Martinez I

Round 1: Williams first knockdown and controls the round. Martinez at the way end after going down and losing the round scores a knockdown and a harder one. Gut says Martinez 10-9 though Williams controlled that round for sure

Round 2 and 3: All Martinez 10-9 a piece making it 30-27 Martinez

Round 4: Martinez still aggressive but Williams finds home on a few hard lefts, one of which staggers Martinez and forces him to hold on at the end of the round. 10-9 Williams

Round 5: Williams comes out aggressive, Martinez attempts a rally and Williams exchanges with him and the exchange appears even, Williams continues to control the round. 10-9 Williams 48-47

Round 6: Fight settled down a lot into a jabbing match but then Williams began to land his right hook one of which particularly hard. The chopping lefts were continuing but most fell short but one or two connected real well. Martinez was throwing and moving a lot less. 10-9 Williams. knotted at 57

Round 7: Another quiet round definitely for Williams who had the snappier and eye catchier stuff. Williams connected best on a two punch combo and later on a counter right hook that stopped Martinez dead in his tracks. Williams also was solid defensively in the round getting hit a lot less. 10-9 Williams pulling ahead for the first time at 67-66

Round 8: This round had to be a point of disagreement for the judges as Williams jabbed well and found range. Martinez began using a left hand to the body and a brought back the right hook to the head. Williams got caught by a left upstairs but then came back with two of his long chopping lefts of his own. The consistent work was Williams but the eye catching stuff was Martinez. 10-9 Martinez. knotted at 76 apiece

Round 9: Another hard round to score. Williams is still busy but a lot has seemed to come off his punches though theres usually one hard punch for every for or five. Martinez is getting a second wind moving a lot more and throwing more than he had when Williams was climbing back in the fight. I feel like the siginificant blows are similar though Williams probably landed more. Tough to pick a winner. Gonna go even and call it a swing round. 86 a piece Harold gave it to Williams, the first round I actually saw differently

Round 10: Martinez's best round since the third where he resembled the confident, elusive, and busy fighter he was when re was rocking Williams. In this round he used the left that he used in the rematch to KO Williams. It was a punch he showed early and got away from. 10-9 Martinez 96-95 Martinez

Round 11: Big Martinez round, the round was tightly contested til the moment Martinez fell and took ages to get up. Looked exausted but threw hard anyway. He knocked Williams around with some of his shots. 10-9 Martinez 106 to 104 Martinez Harold was in disagreement.

Round 12: With 1:55 to go Martinez landed the KO punch from the second fight and Williams took it well but it connected with great effect. Williams really dug in with the hooks and uppercuts with both hands. Once again they landed similar numbers of hard blows but Williams just seemed to get in more in total. Williams in a marathon of a round takes it 10-9. 115-114 Martinez

If the ninth was scored for Williams its a draw on my card if it goes to Martinez its just a wider win


Steward called the left hand of Williams to come back in the fight and Sergio would tire. Martinez did his little habit of taking mid round breaks as he clearly gave away rounds and let Williams pull up ahead only to have to rally late. I thought Martinez edged it but barely. Not a real robbery because I think you got a case of just a lot of close rounds.

You see shades of the left hand that KO's Williams but he got real right hook happy and got away from the punch.

 

Andre Berto vs Luis Collazo, felt like watching this due to Collazo's big career reviving knockout of Luis Collazo. This was a fight I watched when it happened and I was in high school and wasnt really a fan of Berto thought he was a softly matched fraud with a chin waiting to get cracked

I thought Collazo won but never actually scored it, never to this day had I actually truly scored it. I knew I was biased and that Collazo probably in reality lost a close one. But here we go

Round 1: Patient little start but Berto opens up with 2 flush rights down the center but is knocked off balance badly into the ropes by a left hand. He then recovers and dominantes the round landing more rights through the guard and Collazo just does not see them coming. 10-9 Berto. Lederman gave to Collazo I'm not sure how

- thoughts at this moment. Berto compared to his last few fights at this time was definitely a lot faster and seemed a little more explosive. Now I feel like Berto waits on his shots in a wide stance and waits to use his right as a counter. In this round he clearly led with it and tried to be the attacker. His defense is kind of low handed and reflex based but no shoulder roll or cheap imitation shoulder roll. His jab is fast but throw away and his left hook is all arm with no torque

Round 2: A much closer round. Berto iniating a lot of clinches but Collazo throws in them. Early in the round they struggled to land upstairs each traded their power hand to the body. Collazo split the guard with a powerful left up the middle and backed Berto up. Berto however later in the round landed a hard right that moved Collazo and followed up with some fast punches to the head including a nice left hook though I was critical of his technique on it. 10-9 Berto 20-18 Berto

Round 3: Brutal round fought almost entirely in close quarters. Berto who I mentioned iniated lots of clinchs so far was warned by the ref and proceeded to stay in close but not clinch. He would get himself so square that he gave away his body and Collazo dug in to the body. He also walked Berto straight into a right uppercut that buckled him just a little. Collazo dominated inside but Berto was not without some good work, he did land a powerful left right that probably would have dropped a lot of fighters. 10-9 Collazo 29-28 Berto

Round 4: Competitive round, Berto docked for holding, he was warned last round and grabbed the arm with two hands and wouldnt let go and Collazo was landing with his free hand. Ref docked him. After the point was taken Berto rushed in but ate a left hook. Berto is in a situation where he has to adjust, timed on the outside, mauled on the inside. 10-8 Collazo 38-37 Collazo

Round 5: Ineffective round as both men struggled to land cleanly, most punches parcially blocked or slipped entirely. The round was fought at range where Collazo lost most of his advantaged. Collazo has Berto timed where Berto struggles to land frequently but Berto's speed allows him to land just enough and make Collazo miss just enough to win the round 10-9 Berto 47-47 even

Round 6: Very hard round to score. Berto boxed early like he did in round 5 taking advantage of his skillset and landing probably 1 of every 4 of his shots. Ineffective but active, Collazo was limited in his attempts to get going. He could make Andre miss but not follow up. Then Collazo with his back to the ropes began land those powerful punches and they began to exchange again but Berto though at a disadvantage landed 2 left hooks and 2 right uppercuts. Then landed another right uppercut in the middle of the ring. Collazo tried to rally back late. 10-9 Berto 57-56 Berto Harold disagreed

Round 7: Collazo really gave away the round had his hands down for well over a minute trying to get Berto to fall into a trap Berto was passive but still threw and got some in. Collazo did not throw at all. 10-9 Berto 67-65 Berto Harold goes the other way but I dont know how. I dont like to use compubox box stats but Berto was 21-27 and Collazo was 4 of 20. Now even if they are slightly off as they probably are thats still such a huge disparity

Round 8: I dont know what Collazo is thinking. He just handed Berto another round by not fighting. He was bothered by a body shot early in the round and down the stretch a Berto right snapped his head back. Berto swarmed him at the end of the round throwing at the head. 10-9 Berto 77-74 Berto

-at this juncture my card is the exact opposite of Lederman and I really think he is doing a terrible job scoring this fight

Round 9: Big round for Collazo as Berto was starting to roll and had all the momentum and Collazo in a puzzling way was giving away the fight. Berto maybe tired or over confident took to the inside and tried to fight Collazo in close and let Collazo rally, at first Collazo was just arming away but over the course of the round Collazos punches developed more steam and he started ripping Berto. 10-9 Collazo 86-84 Berto

Round 10: Both men winded after such a brutal pace yet somehow Collazo manages to keep his foot on the gas. He just keeps on punching inside and lands especially well to the body of a tiring Berto. 10-9 Collazo 95-94 Berto

Round 11: Berto was the aggressor in this round and was busier and on the attack even caught Collazo with a sharp right but Collazo put his hands down and rolled away from the rest of the attack. Competitive round but Berto's 10-9, 105-103 Berto

Round 12 Berto dominated this round against a gassed Collazo, Berto was ripping shots to the head and body took the round with ease. 115-112 Berto the exact opposite of Lederman whose score I found atrocious

in the end I was in between the official judges, 2 had it 114-113 and one had it 16-111

I agree with the 2 who had it closer but cannot agree with the 116-111 judge

I can potentially see giving the 5th to Collazo and having it 114-113 though

 

Whitaker DLH was 119-107 for Pernell. complete robbery

 

That's bull****.