the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread.

HAHAHAHAH Pernell definitely won that fight but it was not anything near a shutout

 

Alvarez vs Trout
I was actually impressed by Trouts showing but to no avail

 

Decided to finally watch Quillin vs Rosado

Havent been subscribed to SHO in a long time and fell out of touch with how Quillins career was going, heard so much criticism saying Rosado was winning despite the wide cards and that the stoppage was terrible

I myself was very skeptical and gave the fight a watch

Of the 2 myths: Bad stoppage and Closer fight, Rosado even ahead...After watching it I'd say the stoppage was fine it was a terrible cut no issues with that at all. The cards were atrocious the 90 and the 89 for Quillin makes you wonder what fight they watched...The 87 to Quillin was alright though I had it 86-84 and even then I felt 2 rounds that I had given to Quillin I did so kind of feeling wrong for doing it

Gave Quillin: 1-3, 5 and 6 with a 10-8 in round 2

Rosado had round 4 before sweeping the last 3 and had all the momentum prior to the TKO

Rosado exposed so much in Quillin's fighting ability

1) Quillin relies on power and some athletic prowess but not great fundamentals
2)Because those 2 dependencies could not carry the day he was not able to keep Rosado back
3) Quillin has a weak inside game, got out fought and resorted to clinching inside
4) Very low output, once again he looks for homerun shots and picks his spots way way way too much rather than set up punches
5)Seems to lack fire

My take

 

Miguel Cotto vs Shane Mosley

Round 1- All Cotto,in the middle of the ring boxing an impressive performance in the opener lands the jab, the cross, the left hook to the head and body and a right to the body. Mosley didnt land much 10-9 Cotto

Round 2: Cotto boxed very well the majority of the round catching a lot with his gloves and getting his jab going. The round heated up big time in the last 20 when Mosley landed an overhand right and went on the attack. Cotto near the ropes fired back with a straight left from the southpaw stands and backed Mosley up and went back to the body before Shane landed another right. Hard round to score. Cotto 10-9 * that one for closeness

Round 3- Lots of loading up in this round, both guys commit on some hard hooks. Mosley landed a really hard right hand, Cotto came back on late and Mosley tried to respond. Even harder round to score. Mosley 10-9 *

Round 4- Clear Cotto Round. Not to say Mosley didnt land anything of note he did, the overhand rights make their presence known, Mosley is success in single shots while Cotto has been doing his work in 2's and 3's and really moves Shane and surprisingly with that right cross of his. 10-9 Cotto

Side note the ref Benji Esteves is really doing an incredible job, lets them fight out of the clinches which they do for the most part, many times Cotto pushes out of the clinch and finds home with his left hook as he gets just enough space

Round 5- Very very hard round to score, both men got in some of their best in this round. I think Cotto narrowly edged it 10-9 Cotto.

Round 6- Thought this was an easy round to score for Cotto, Mosley appeared to take a little bit of a breather, got on his toes and stopped throwing as much. The Cotto jab was effective and he again got in another right cross 10-9 Cotto

Side note- I'm feeling kind of bad right now, I know this is a close fight by most accounts I have even seen people say Shane won...right now I'm sitting on a 5-1 score for Cotto at the midway point. I am not a massive Cotto fan and probably prefer Shane but to be honest it seems like Cotto does more damage with his blows they sound better they move Shane more than Shane moves Cotto. Cotto has been throwing in combination and Shane hasnt. Mosley appears to have his shots partially blocked while Cotto appears to land more cleanly.

I put 2 *'s for the 2nd and 3rd which I will call swing rounds I guess I could potentially see Mosley winning 2 and 3 making it 4-2 which makes it a little closer but points wise Cotto only has to win 3 of the next 6 to claim a victory

Round 7- Mosley moved a lot and stayed on his toes from the outside and was able to limit Cotto's attack, he himself didnt land too much either but did connect on a few really nice overhand rights and did enough to take a round from Cotto who was having some real momentum in the fight 10-9 Mosley

Round 8- Mosely moved and boxed like the previous round only Cotto was getting in this time. Cotto won a quiet round and edges closer to clinching it on points. 10-9 Cotto

Round 9- Cotto goes into full backpeddle mode not sure if he was hurt on a specific shot or if he hurt something. Either way Mosley came on and never let up. Cotto out of desperation did land a lunging left hook at the end. Big Mosley round 10-9.

Round 10- Outside of a good left from the southpaw stance Cotto was on the defensive again and Mosley once again maintained control but might have let it slip a little as Cotto doesnt seem as hurt or bothered as before. 10-9 Mosley

Round 11- Hard round to score Mosley came forward and put Cotto on the ropes but Cotto was landing clean hard shots on the back foot. Cotto landed a big left hook at the end of the round not sure how to go on this one. 10-9 Cotto

Round 12- 10-9 Mosley in a track and field event

Final score was 7-5 for Cotto, Lederman had the same final but got there a little differently

The real judges scored it the same minus a judge at 116-113 I guess he had something even

Overall I think this was one of those close but clear kind of fights where Cotto obviously won but won really tightly.

I starred 2 rounds for closeness but 1 to Mosley 1 to Cotto meaning they wash out still 7-5. I admit 11 was close, maybe Mosley gets it but then again Lederman had the 12th for Cotto where I did not. So again they might swing and negate each other

All in all Mosley lost for a few reasons, 1) he came on way too late 2) very little punch variety mostly just an overhand right and a right to the body he had a weak jab and ignored the left hook though it had success 3) He had a hard time getting going in combination and struggled mightily to land flush

Cotto won for various reasons maybe some are scoring bias from me but 1) his shots appeared to be more effective, now he never had Mosley hurt and Mosley had him hurt pretty good or so it seemed but he seemed to move Mosley more when he hit him 2) Mosley was mostly single shots while Cotto was in combinations 3) Cotto varied his punch selection a lot more 4) Cotto won on the inside and like I said the ref let them fight out of clinches and more often then not he got a left hook in at separation 5) I said Mosley struggled to land but that had a lot to do with Cotto being sharp on defense and picking off lots of punches, his hands remained high the whole fight and he was well protected

Hats off to Cotto showing poise and levels to his game, hats off to Mosley down the stretch and hats off to Esteves for a great job reffing

 

Lloyd Honeyghan vs Marlon Starling , Donald Curry & Mark Breland

vs Breland he was not fighting like himself - constantly on d retreat & hopeless.
Maybe shot maybe unprepared surely brought 2 lose

vs Starling 1st 4 rds wer iven bat den Starling gradually took control & Honeyghan was a worse retreater than Starling a stalker.
Starling finished him in a supposedly out of character display of swarming.

vs Curry it is such n over8ed per4manc: Curry was drained 2 deth nd weak, yet Honeyghan was unable 2 floor Curry even once even in that bad a st8. Nd on top of it all, Honeyghan won by a TKO due 2 a headbutt induced facial damage.

 

Marquez vs Vazquez Part III

Vazquez- 5,6,8,9,10 (10-8)12 (10-8)

Marquez-1,2,3,4 (10-8),7,11

113-112 Vazquez just as the 3rd judge scored

Marquez stunned twice in round 1 but had the more consistent and effective work I felt and connected on some hard shots after Vazquez hurt him to reestablish control of the fight back in his favor

Again Vazquez rocked Marquez in round 2 on a left hook and connected on a right but the better work throughout by Marquez who also finished the round on a solid connect

Round 4 turned the fight into the war we waited for, the fight was high pace but didnt have the back and forth drama yet Marquez was in control. The knockdown awaken Vazquez who went on the assault and was earning back the point to make it 10-9 instead of 10-8 but then got nailed by a solid right hand and definitely stays the 10-8. Fight has changed though

Gave Vazquez 5 but its close he was hurt by a hard right hand but hurt Marquez late came forward well and seemed to impose himself better

6 was tough, Marquez is busier and boxes well and controls the pace but now Vazquez is getting hit a little less and landing a little more and is really starting to hurt Marquez got it 4-2 with an extra point halfway thru though it can easily be a sweep or possibly even in rounds

8 was razor thin as each guy had moments with neither guy separating themselves but then the last few seconds Vazquez sustained a rally and hurt Marquez securing the round

Gave 9 to Vazquez despite getting popped late

Dont like to score a 10-8 when a guy does not leave his feet but 12 would probably have been appropriate, made the difference on my card

The rounds I felt were hardest to score were 5,6,7,11 and maybe 9

5 I gave to Vazquez and that may have been more the case of a momentum round more than anything, 6 was Vazquez but Marquez could easily have been awarded it. 7 I gave to Marquez again its any mans round 11 I gave to Marquez but I think the commentary was more Vazquez and 9 was a round where Vazquez got hurt late and unlike a few rounds where late attacks swung the tide I still gave it to him

I agreed with Bernstein mostly that Marquez dictated the tempo and boxed well with sharp punching and limited the hell out of Vazquez whose success was limited to momentarily wobbling Marquez several times in the first few rounds and I felt most of those moments were answered by Marquez with sharp right hands of his own

close fight indeed

 

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i watched mohammad ali fighting with mike tyson and the ref was maywaether =p

 

This is my exact score too.

 

Finally gave Floyd vs Maidana a second try and I am glad I did because my score changed

This time I had it 115-113 Mayweather but I can now understand the 116-112 score that was rendered that I thought was too wide

Maidana had rounds 1,3,4,5,12

Floyd had rounds 2,6-11

Biggest take aways were that I gave Floyd 2 and 11 this time while giving Maidana 12 so basically I changed my mind on 3 rounds

I think lots of falsehoods and folklore have been made about this fight:

Floyd choosing to go to the ropes to make this entertaining. I don't see it, Floyd goes to the ropes in lots of his fights and I think this fight he was on the ropes a lot in 1-4 mostly due to not yet being able to A) earn Maidanas respect B) Maidana had very good head movement and threw at odd angles and Floyd had a hard time timing him and was backed into the ropes C) Maidana knew how to cut off the ring lots of fighters just follow, Maidana stepped to cut Floyd off when Floyd would try to spin out and reverse Maidana

Round 4 Floyd spent some of the most time in any round on the ropes but I think that was large in part due to the cut

Next order of biz, I don't think Maidana gassed as badly as people say he did. Sure after 4 he slowed down out put wise his hands were still high, his punches still were hard, and he still had head movement. I don't think he was so gassed I think the fight just settled, Floyd adjusted and Maidana could not get off the way he did in the early rounds

If there is a round to say Maidana looked openly tired I'd say it was 9 where his mouth was open and he was dominated but in round 10 Maidana fought a very spirited round

Next misconception is Maidana landed nothing clean at all....That's an out right lie I noted Maidanas best punches Ranging from Jabs, Over Hand Rights, Left Hooks, Body punches and One pretty good inside Uppercut a punch he used a lot vs Broner but did not use a lot here...Maidana could be very ineffective but he usually landed one clean power blow and 1 or 2 more that glanced or were partially blocked but none the less got in

Perception upon second viewing

First time I had it even giving 5 of the first 6 to Maidana and one round in the second half. I think the 6-6 score is possible but 7-5 Maidana would require giving Maidana plenty of help

Round 2 is a round I see most giving Floyd and I gave it to him this time, its a close round with Floyd edging in clean connects, Maidana got some work in and mauled maybe it can be scored to him but its definitely a point of contention

Round 3, was again live I felt it was obvious and clear Maidana swung the early rounds big time and this time I thought Maidana won but that it wasn't obvious. Both men missed a lot and Maidana kind of mauled his way in and got it but it wasn't a clear round

Maidanas best round was the 5th and funny enough it was a round fought largely in the middle of the ring he never really mauled Floyd on the ropes until the last 10 seconds or so. He landed 2 very good over hand rights in the middle of the ring and used a jab high and right to the body to back Floyd to the ropes, very crafty

Round 6-8 are rounds live that I thought Floyd dominated, I think he won those rounds but watching again Maidana boxed very well in the middle and made Floyd miss and got in some of his own.. I don't like to quote stats but the stats in this round and the 10th were extremely close I do feel what Floyd connected on was better

Ultimately I'd love to watch 6,8,10 again and score I think those are rounds that I could potentially flip flop on as well as 2 and maybe 3..I think this fight has a lot of scoring possibilities for either guy

Though Maidana won the early rounds he was very ineffective and I was more impressed in him losing 6-10 but competing very well in the middle of the ring bobbing weaving and jabbing and getting more conservative with his shots and attack not just mauling...the effort in those rounds contains his improvements even in defeat it shows how far he has come and what he is capable of

Rematch?

Im not sure how it goes...On one hand Floyd destroyed Castillo in the rematch, Floyd may snuff out any of what Maidana succeeded with and dominate..Or maybe Maidana improves even further takes this experience on the big stage and finds more ways to land

I wanna study the film further score again to reach a final verdict on the score and predict a rematch