the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread.

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  1. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Yes, and it speaks for Barber that DM was busting so many guys by KO. It's a very, very impressive run he puts on.
     
  2. zadfrak

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    Yep.

    But it's a fight where it took a lot more out of Barber than we thought. Man, those long grueling physical bouts just have a way of killing a guy's reflexes in subsequent bouts.

    So very few guys can undergo a rebuilding project after a loss. And the other side of the coin is the Gil Clancy theory of a guy improving after becoming champ. That certainly happened with Dariusz.He became a favorite fighter of mine after that. Not many were thinking the guy could handle Virgil Hill and would be susceptible to that jab and movement.

    Do you remember a proposed fight near the end of that Dariusz run? Eubank was #1 ranked WBO. Another favorite of mine. Instead of Dariusz, he took on Thompson at cruiser. I wonder if Chris could have managed to beat a Michalczewski at that stasge of the game? I don't think so, but he'd hang tough. Can you imagine if a guy like Benn tried to move up like that?
     
  3. McGrain

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    DM would have booted Eubank's **** for him at that point.
     
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    VICTOR GALINDEZ KO15 RICHIE KATES

    Pretty awesome first action, Galindez gets sent back to his rope by the referee because his cornerman has left a towel hanging there, and Galindez throws it back (presumably) that guy like "you ****ing idiot!"

    Other than that he starts the fight as you would expect: quietly. Kates and his jab dominate, to the extent where you wonder where Galindez's successes will come from. He answers in round two with a punctuated left hook in the final second that leaves Kates marooned ring centre, saved from a rhino charge only by the bell. A mad five minute delay ensues after a brutal clash of heads in the third, a clash that causes Galindez to cut again. Needless to say, he goes tits mental, winging in hooks, mauling, pushing with the right, and he does take the round. But he doesn't have it all his own way either, Kates jabs him hard and often, and is targetting the eye. Fight set up nicely. Galindez clearly thinks the cut is bad enough to force a stoppage (he's right) and wants to force a stoppage.

    That lends the fifth, sixth and seventh an incredible savagery. My sense in the fifth was that Kates wanted to just wait Glaindez out, wait for the cut. You can't blame him. The idea that Galindez would get through ten rounds at this point seems ludicrous, his face looks like uncooked lamb's liver. His face looks like stu. Kates has an absolutely superb jab, and he can double it, and he can make the second shorter with the first and he's just targetting that cut, and Galindez is furious, thrashing him. In the sixth, Kates does better but succumbs to a snapping counter-hook that puts him to the ropes and Glaindez is swarming all over him like a pitbull with a brick. It's a real unnerving mix in Galindez, too small for the division, but enormously strong physically, a genius counter-puncher, but an uncontrolled savage. In the seventh that later forced Kates to the canvas, I thought for a submission KD, but actually Kates looks hurt. He boxes back well to jab out the eighth as Galindez takes a rest, his cut looking better. Must be evil to share a ring with.

    Galindez climbs out for the ninth with a third-eyelid worth of Vaseline on his face and this promptly ends up perched on Kates's head like a little yarmulke. He also decides to fight Galindez on the inside in the first minute and kisses goodbye to the round. Kates is absurdly brave and probably the referee should have rescued him here. He gets as brutal a kicking as you can see in colour through the ninth and tenth (Which I scored 10-8) but then he did the unthinkable and rallied in the eleventh and twelfth. He jabs open that enormous cut again and the referee takes a look into it in the 12th (like he could do anything at this late stage!) - and I think Kates nicks these two rounds. I may be overstating on account of it's so unexpected to see, plus Galindez is protecting the eye, but Jesus, what a guy. They say this fight ruined him. I reckon they might be right.

    After fourteen I have it 9-6 Galindez, 135-129. A very dominant display from Galindez in a dramatic, exciting fight. How Galindez survived the cut, i'll never know, how Kates survived into the fifteenth after this beating, I'll never know. It is weird to know that Kates is the one that got the **** kicked out of him but it is Galindez blood that covers the three men in the ring.

    The knockout was thuggery, and Kates was warned. Galindez was winging in left hooks from Namibia throughout the final two minutes and when two landed back to back, Kates was stretched like Mike Spinks.

    Had Kates somehow reclaimed his feet, my final card would have read 145-137, thrashing.


    GALINDEZ:3,4,5,6,7*,9,10**,13,14,
    KATES:1,2,8,11,12

    *Kates dropped for an eight count.
    ** 10-8 round for Galindez via dominance.
     
  5. lora

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    Kates was a smooth, classy fighter but that era was a beast if you were trying to be a boxer-puncher yet didn't hit that hard.

    Galindez best performance imo, he never fought with that kind of vigour again.I think the experience he had built up on a very tough Argie light heavy scene gave him a strong first-title fight mentality to go in with.He'd already had a few setbacks and plenty of tough fights against good opposition.

    Kates does really well in the rematch against the more typical slower paced, countering and exploding with combinations in spurts Galindez.Worth scoring too.
     
  6. McGrain

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    Yeah, Galindez was hot, but i'm not sure he'd have gotten away with that against, as you say, a puncher. A lot of dudes might have out-beasted him with power there, and Kates probably made a mistake sitting on the cut like that. Still, he wasn't winning that fight with a hammer.
     
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    VICTOR GALINDEZ UD15 YAQUI LOPEZ 1

    Galindez at his best in this second round, shifty, impossible to hit clean, unorthodox, and then contained aggression packed tight behind accurate punching. Still, Lopez takes each of the other of the opening four. You can kind of see Muhammad's point now. Glaindez ties the opponent to the end of a bat and just knocks him back. It's frightening punching at him. Lopez knows this, and doesn't have to be taught. He just relies upon his his jab here, and at least once he manages to triple it up as Galindez tries to reach a little too far back into the ropes for his own good. Lopez will have to remain monumentally disciplined to win this fight, despite a handy lead.

    After eight I have it 5-3 Lopez. Lopez is patient, has an excellent jab and refuses to be rattled by what Jerry Quarry colourfully and unexpetedly calls "the devastation of Galindez's power" :lol: Galindez, for his part, is just creeping on, trying to dial in that missile of a left hook, a punch that Lopez is successfully running interference on with high gloves and a shuffling, clever movement that keeps Galindez busy on his feet. I feel, at this stage, that Lopez mus maybe even up the work rate a bit because as soon as Galindez strings a couple of rounds together, he'll be away. Cannot let this man dominate you for a spell.

    Galindez is not a light-heavyweight. But he solves all of those problems in wonderful ways. He hardly ever leads with a jab because it's as risky for him as all those other punches. That's wonderful technical adaptation. He's that kind of fighter.

    Yeah, Galindez just goes on a burn by my eye and takes 8 through 11. Lopez was a bit "unlucky" in twelve, getting hit low in a round he was doing well in. I guess he still edge it though and **** happens when you're in the ring with Galindez. Still, it's taken twelve rounds for Galindez to get back to even on the cards. He just knows where he is in the ring, all the time, and he knows exactly where his man is. He does miss plenty when he's winging them in because the opponent has taken evasive action, but this is nice.

    They swapped the thirteenth and the fourteenth although Galindez had a superb fourteenth, the thirteenth was close. So after all this mess it comes down to the last round. I don't feel that way. Galindez "feels" like he dominated this fight, like he was boss. But the card don't lie.

    Galindez nicked it. I don't think I would pick any LHW to win a deciding fifteenth agianst him. I think he would always take that type of round. One thing though: he was lucky not to have a point deducted. The referee would have been justified in doing so and it would have give us a majority draw. Judges: 146-145 | 147-146 | 148-146.


    GALINDEZ:2,6,8,9,10,11,14,15
    LOPEZ:1,3,4,5,7,12,13,

    GALINDEZ 8-7.
     
  8. zadfrak

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    Victor sure was a guy that knew how to win close bouts. What an under appreciated skill. Most guys need everything to be in their favor to win. not many are able to fight in so many back and forth long fights and continually find a way to win. That means lots of digging deep & man could Victor Galindez dig deep.

    Have you watched, or going to, one of those Ahumada fights of his?
     
  9. McGrain

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    Just the title shot. One-sided as I remember?
     
  10. KO KIDD

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    Just watched round 12 of Tomasz Adamek and Paul Briggs II, dont know what made me remember it

    Great fight from what I remember and the fight hung in the balance in the last round and both guys fought like they needed it, some solid exchanges in this round

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IO-ntZNPBnE#t=48m16s
     
  11. McGrain

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    VICTOR GALINDEZ UD15 YAQUI LOPEZ 2

    Second fight, in Italy, Galindez seems to have liked it there the raj. Lopez looks a bit like Monzon. I wonder how Galindez and Monzon would have got on in the ring? Not much in it size wise. Anyway, Lopez comes out more aggressively here, looking for the body earlier, pushing the left about the same amount - Galindez, oddly, is relying upon his left to get his work done, jabbing, but I do believe only when Lopez is trying to work him with harder punches. They split the opening two, which is good for Galindez.

    After six, it's great for Galindez, I have him 4-2 up. With his performance patterns and the slow pace the fight is being fought at, I'd consider this fight almost decided? Lopez has given up body-punching and returned to the slow-paced, stalking, jab-heavy tactics in the first fight. The reason? Galindez yo-yo'd him in the third, not onto the canvas but onto his own punches. He countered the hell out of Lopez. Galindez, i've been watching him quite intensely this week, and he just gets more horrible the longer you watch him. He's unpredictable, he feints with his knees, his feet, his head, probably his eyes, his hands, he's hard to hit clean, he's an expert punch-slipper, a punishing counter-puncher...walking nightmare, really.

    Absurdly, Lopez boxees his way to the 8th, 9th and 10th rounds. He's just jabbing, jabbing. Galindez offers almost nothing, almost no offence at all. He comes to life at the end of the tenth a little bit, but not enough to rescue the round. And it's not like Lopez is sleeping here - in fact, he's boxing an ultra-conservative, ultra-disciplined fight. He's not sleepwalking onto anything odd. 5-5 after ten, incredibly.

    I gave an excruciatingly close, highly arguable and messy eleventh to Galindez, finally stopping the rot on the cards, but in the twelfth he inexplicably comes ring centre and starts jousting with a much taller rangier guy. Of course he loses another boring round. So after twelve I have it even - Angelo Dundee and Gil Clancy both have Lopez ahead. Thirteenth feels key, but then the fourteenth will be key whichever way it goes...

    No meaningful punches are landed! Lopez is shoe-shining his jab, he never scores a punch that isn't a cuff, Galindez seems to land half a right hand, best punch of a nothing round. Nothing I can score on. Did Galindez somehow gas after round 7? He hasn't won a round since on my card, apart from the eleventh, which you could happily call any one of three ways.

    Galindez takes the fourteenth with the first meaningful offence that he's thrown since the eleventh. I wonder how many Galindez opponents get home and watch the fight and just can't believe they let themselves lose certain rounds? This is one. Lopez is so locked into that ultra-conservative approach that he looks ungainly when he abandons it. Another really close round, but Galindez edged it. Lopez took the fifteenth on activity, the result on my card, a draw. Bizarre. I thought i'd seen this fight but I hadn't. I would have remembered, it's just bizarre. This was Galindez last successful defence, I guess he'd had it, to a degree...I kind of wish Lopez had won on my card. I could happily give him the eleventh. Dundee and Clancy both think Lopez won.

    7-7-1 DRAW

    LOPEZ:1,6,8,9,10,12,15
    GALINDEZ:2,3,4,5,7,11,14,
    EVEN: 13
     
  12. McGrain

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    lora, you think Lopez was robbed?
     
  13. lora

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    I'd need to watch it again to refresh my memory.Haven't watched any fights from that light heavy era for a few years now.

    I don't remember thinking any of his defences were outright robberies though, he was more the king of the hard to score close decision.Eubank-like, but in actual good fights instead of horrendous weight-drained ****e.
     
  14. McGrain

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    You are of no practical value.
     
  15. lora

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    Ungrateful degenerate.:bart