the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread.

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  1. LittleRed

    LittleRed Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The first fight may be the best back and forth action I've ever seen. It's savage and beautiful.
     
  2. McGrain

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    Parlov was target practice for Johnson.
     
  3. salsanchezfan

    salsanchezfan Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I loved how Johnson would double and even triple up on uppercuts.
     
  4. McGrain

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    JAMES SCOTT UD12 EDDIE MUSTAFA MUHAMMAD

    Mad James Scott's mad behind the prison-walls win over Eddie Mustafa.

    Pretty dull stuff through three as Muhammad, who had promised "a technology fight" showcasing his superior technique is content to hold and punch only rarely while Scott sets the pace. This is a terrible error as it allows Scott to fight his way into a contest that was seen as beyond him (3 cigarettes to one in favour of Muhammad were the odds going in!). He wins the fourth big; Muhammad has failed to pick up a round.

    Scott looks tired in the fifth, but so, inexplicably, does Muhammad who is also swelling badly around the left eye. Muhammad finally wins the sixth, but it's a turgid, nothing round, where he manages to get home with some jabs before grabbing. It turns into a bit of a blind stagger through eight. Muhammad just looks passive and happy to hold even with the stronger, body-punching Scott. It's bad strategy and he seems ill-prepared. Still, he narrows things up on my card through eight.

    Muhammad needs the knockout after nine by my eye, but it's Scott who remains the aggressor. He almost totally dominates the run in. Shameful performance from Muhammad, one way or another.

    SCOTT: 9-2-1

    SCOTT:2,3,4,5,8,9,10,11,12
    MUHAMMAD:6,7,
    EVEN:1,
     
  5. McGrain

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    MICHAEL SPINKS UD15 EDDIE MUSTAFA MUHAMMAD

    Yeah, boring. Very boring fight. I know, because Howard Cossell tells me every sixteen seconds, that they are "both counterpunchers" and that that's the explanation but i'm one of those annoying d!cks that calls boring fights "absorbing" or "interesting" usually, but this is just dull. Lots of missing, loads of clinching, some rough housing. You can literally count the affective punches to judge who wins the round. Not much happening through four.

    I have them even after ten, but Spinks is very much in the ascendancy. Muhammad has a badly swollen right eye, he is struggling, he has looked tired since the six. A lot of people rush to blame his weight loss on the way back down from heavy and that's reasonable, but he's kind of got this passivity built into him IMO. Spinks unearths it here and is now firmly out-punching Muhammad. He gives it a go in the tenth though, but he lost 8, 9 and 10.

    Savage KD in twelve, Spinks blindsides him and drops him hard with a booming right hand. The fight should probably be stopped in the aftermath which is savage but Muhammad makes it out of the ring. He's done none-the-less I reckon. I'll be surprised if he wins a round in the run in. Spinks looked immature trying to finish him, but mature in going back to his boxing in 13.

    The second half of the fight had drama for all that it was one-sided. I have it 10-5 which is a very harsh card on Muhammad so I might have missed some of his better stuff. Certainly I admire his heart.

    SPINKS:3,5,8,9,10,11,12*,13,14,15
    MUHAMMAD:1,2,4,5,7,

    *Spinks drops Muhammad with a massive right.
     
  6. lora

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    yeah that passive languid nature is why i've always thought Conteh had the most potential to have done more of the two "coulda\shoulda" underachieving boxer-punchers of that era.

    Eddie blew his chances inthis fight pathetically.Just no real sharpness in his work.jones first performance against Tarver reminds me a bit of this, though luckily he was in with a less talented fighter than Spinks.
     
  7. McGrain

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    I honestly kind of wondered if he was maybe on the take in the Scott fight. He was that bad.
     
  8. KO KIDD

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    Decided to watch the infamous Sven Ottke: the man who made famous the boxing adage that a close fight in Germany must have been a robbery

    I had him beat Glen Johnson by a point 115-114 Ottke baning 2,5,6,7,9,10 and Johnson winning 3,4,8, 10, and 11 and they shared the first even on my card

    Not a great fight but Ottke moved well enough to prevent Johnson from really sustaining much offense. I felt Ottke actually moved around so much he could never set his feet fast enough to land counter opportunities where Johnson would swing away and be off balance

    Ottke lead with his head a lot and shoved with his forearms a lot, never once warned, Johnson did it back in the 8th and received a stern warning....Anyone know why Leonard was there

    I might get laughed off the stage for this one but I scored Ottke vs Reid by a point for Ottke. As bad as the referee was, Reid really did not do much after the deduction round, he came out mobile but then stayed in front of Ottke, Ottke scored points on straight rights and would hold/head butt without warning

    While Ottke was doing this Reid was unable to be effective, mostly because when he did anything the ref warned him for it.

    Gave Reid the first 4, then 10 and 12

    Gave Ottke 5,6,7,8,9, and 11 with the 10-8 being the deal breaker

    Didnt agree at all with the point being taken but I had to take it because the ref called it
     
  9. McGrain

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    ROY JONES MD12 ANTONIO TARVER

    Tarver marshalls Jones around the ring and is sure to land a hard flurry early and these should be bagging him the rounds. I can't see any way, really, to give Jones either of the first two. Tarver looks clever, he waits, he walks his man off, he doesn't throw to many, it's very good the way he gives Jones his space at the back of it. The way Tarver lets these advantages evaporate - or has them taken away from him - is fascinating.

    It could be that Jones hurt Tarver with something. It could be that Tarver just got hypnotised by Jones and his serpentine movement which did legitimately bring a suddenly insignificant, uncertain Tarver jab onto Jones. Maybe it was just that Jones stopped giving ground and Tarver wasn't astute enough to see that the risk of meeting him was less than the risk of playing ball. Either way, I score Jones 3, 4, 5 and close 6th.

    It's a tired Jones that sits down at the end of ten.

    I have him winning the sixth and the ninth. A combination of Tarver's reticence and Roy's ability to move out of trouble means that he can still get rounds, crucial rounds because I have them even through 10. It feels as though the fight's conclusion rests equally with the two men. Jones could pot shot his way to victory if he stays mobile and off the ropes. Tarver could win on aggression if it's educated. Jones punched out a brilliant eleventh round. I was impressed with Tarver's determination to inch him back nonetheless. Tarver needs the twelfth for the draw by my card. He comes out and waits. Not acceptable. Roy wins the twelfth. Tough performance Roy.

    7-5 Jones.

    JONES:3,4,5,6,9,11,12
    TARVER:1,2,7,8,10,
     
  10. Flea Man

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    A typical Mustafa performance for me.
     
  11. salsanchezfan

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    One of my least favorite to watch; the ******* just wouldn't work. Painful to watch.
     
  12. lora

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    Eddie was great when he was "on" imo.But, yeah terrible to watch if he had decided for whatever reason he wasn't going to give it a full effort.

    His fight with Burnett is probably my favourite of his.Burnett never took his career seriously and squandered his excellent skills with his journeyman mentality, poor training and tendency to take fights at short notice, but here he had plenty of time to prepare and looked alright(unlike say, the Cuello farce), but Eddie had an answer for everything while slowly picking him apart.
     
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    Antonio Tarver UD12 Roy Jones

    Roy by now has started to trickle away into the sad ring survivor we see today, but a job still needed doing and I think Tarver was brilliant in doing it in this fight. He didn't allow himself to be drawn, rushed, or allow himself to become convinced that snatching for the knockout was the right move. Instead, he boxes carefully, dominantly, minimising his own steps while Roy turned like a ballerina, and he closed and hit with almost supernatural judgement of the right moment.

    Roy wins the fourth - barely - but the writing is on the wall. Having said that, Jones was wonderful in the fifth, fighting his way dramatically off the ropes to dominate most of the round, although he gets jabbed back at the end.

    After eight, it's six-two, Tarver is mostly relaxed, economical, smart, sharp, quick and his timing on the rare serious attacks he mounts is absolutely perfect. Roy is reticent, fast and a bit ridiculous. Funny, after all the terribly sad nights in Roy's career, this might be the saddest one of all.

    Round eleven is special, and it was lovely to see Roy Jones fight back so hard when nearly knocked out by a Tarver hook to the ear, but that's really Jones's best moment from the trilogy, kinda.

    TARVER:1,2,3,6,7,8,9,10,11,12
    JONES:4,5,

    10-2 Tarver
     
  15. Flea Man

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    Round 11 was a great round.Sloppy as ****, but Roy tried really hard to stay in it.

    Tarver's stamina was always a bit all over the shop. This fight was a near carbon copy of the Jirov fight. Tarver over exerts himself and ends up a dead man walking.

    Still, no chance in Hell Kovalev should be a favourite over him in a fantasy fight.