the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread.

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by Mantequilla, Nov 20, 2009.


  1. Flea Man

    Flea Man มวยสากล Full Member

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    Okay, Saad is no.10.

    Galindez has way too many close calls to be top 25. Saad beat all their shared opposition in better fashion.

    **** loads of title defences, great skills, a wealth of top quality scalps and overcame Conteh who has putting on a clinic (admittedly past prime). Saad was old school and there's plenty of footage to draw on.

    Don't fall into the John Henry Lewis trap. McAvoy wasn't really any better than Yaqui Lopez.
     
  2. Flea Man

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    Langford shouldn't feature. Barely any fights as an actual light heavyweight and the best light heavy he beat? Well, Langford weighed in the 180's.

    No order; Spinks, Conn, Foster (overrated,****py comp compared to other LHW greats so 7-9 range) Greb, Charles, Moore, John Henry Lewis, Saad, Harold Johnson.
     
  3. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    I haven't looked in real detail yet but he was in the range for about 3.5 years and definitely beat Caponi, Clark and Flynn there. I expect him to make it based in part upon his brilliance and part upon his meagre resume that does include at least one other guy on the list.
     
  4. Flea Man

    Flea Man มวยสากล Full Member

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    H2H Langford might well be the best.

    But I wouldn't have him anywhere near the top 25 as it's such a stacked division.

    Saying that, I've lost your lists so far so won't be disappointed either way. Great to read, great to debate, easy to enjoy.
     
  5. McGrain

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    I reckon twenty-five is going to be about his spot, plus or minus five. It just depends on what i can pick out of those three years with the online stuff and Moyle's book.
     
  6. lora

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    digging the ****erotic Freudian slip:yep
     
  7. lora

    lora Fighting Zapata Full Member

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    I'd say even Lopez is stretching it for McAvoy Flea, he's probably more comparable to someone like Benn than a genuinely really good light heavy like Lopez.

    I think you're harsh on Galindez though.He had his flaws, and certainly became more of a fighting in spurts fighter than the freewheeling brutality of his initial win over Kates, but also a great run of fine pre-title and title wins.
     
  8. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    I knew somebody would say it...but I never thought it would be you lora. I never thought it would be you.
     
  9. McGrain

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    Yeah, plus Galindez won his close calls on my cards so unless i'm missing something, so what? He did just enough repeatedly, that's a skill not a shortcoming.

    The fact that he continued to do that past prime underlines that IMO.
     
  10. PowerPuncher

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    He was a crack addict, for how long I'm not sure, he's around Roy's age and went to the olympics 8 years after Roy. Maybe it was the drugs or maybe he just didn't get the right trainer soon enough.

    He at least would have had better stamina, which is a weakness for him. In a way he has similarities with Lennox Lewis, explosive and powerful but fights in spurts and doesn't press while still being able to dictate from range. So tall outboxers but both have big clumsy feet

    In a way guys who make it late like Tarver, Hopkins and Glen Johnson have more of a hunger for that success though. Although Tarver didn't maintain that hunger the same way Hopkins did. He was at his best from Harding 2 through to Jones 2. He deserved to beat Glen Johnson both times but wasn't quite as aggressive or busy as he was in the period.
     
  11. Drew101

    Drew101 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    He totally could have claimed the LH championship had he bothered to do so after scoring that newspaper decision over Ketchel and knocking O'Brien senseless. Sadly, that championship wasn't worth anything to him at that point.
     
  12. Flea Man

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    Yeah, but did Langford weigh within the LHW limit for those fights?
     
  13. McGrain

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    Neither was a LHW fight.
     
  14. Drew101

    Drew101 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I know he weighed more than 175 for O'Brien, but weight limits tended to fluctuate back then. How much did weigh against Ketchel?
     
  15. McGrain

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    He was over the light-heavyweight limit; Ketchel was at the modern middleweight limit. No light-heavyweights at all were in that fight! Which is a bit mad.