the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread.

Watched Pacquiao vs De La Hoya for the first time in years, its on HBO demand with the Cotto fight and Bradley 2, figured Id watch some Manny fights in preparation

For years on this forum I was always more of a fl.o.m.o than pac.ta.r.d and never really gave Manny any respect for this win. I came away after watching this with a great deal of respect for the performance, I had always chalked this up to the weight but I think Manny gets sold short on that narrative.

I feel like you guys in the classic see what Manny was able to do and appreciate the skills and how he did it. I feel like if you give Pacquiao any credit for this fight on the general you get crucified

De La Hoya was only about a year or so removed from taking Mayweather to a 12 round split decision where most fans saw him win 3-5 rounds which is considered a good performance. On that night he was able to pick off Floyds one shot at a time with his gloves and get him trapped on the ropes for barrages of ineffective flurries but in many rounds Floyd really didn't do much. Even Manny Steward was starting to wonder if Floyd was about to give it away on the cards. But Floyd was able to sharp shoot and counter and pick up 3 or 4 of the last 4 and seal it

Right from round 1 you could tell that Manny was going to provide difficulties that Floyds approach to Oscar could not. Rather than allow himself to get jabbed to the ropes or go to the ropes and stay there. Manny bobbed and weaved a lot moving his head, hands, and hips and seemed to really puzzle Oscar. Oscar also had not fought a southpaw in a decade and when he did it was vs a past it Camacho

The movement took away the jab, which is a punch that southpaws can take away anyway. His left came in so easily, it felt like every left he threw got in, sometimes right down the middle threw both hands of Oscar. Oscar looked completely lost in rounds 1 and 2. Round 3 or 4 he did land 40% of his power shots 8-20, shows he couldn't get off but shows he could land at a decent percentage when he did throw. He only got in a hand full of left hooks all fight, he held Mannys head and landed 2 in round 5 and in 4 and 6 landed a couple of nice rights but Oscars right was never his weapon

7 and 8 were the rounds where the flood gates opened, Manny got less mobile stayed close and would throw combos to the body and stay in range, some times Oscar would fire back and Manny stayed in range. In both these rounds where Oscar got pummeled badly he would have a heroic out burst of punching amid the beating and get a real rise out of the crowd. Watching him quit in the corner was difficult

I have to say weight was not the reason or at least the sole reason why Manny won. You could say Oscar lacked the snap or the out put but it seemed a lot of his offensive impotence was due to not being able to figure out Mannys movements and speed. Floyd got stationary with him a lot and in my opinion gave Oscar more opportunities than necessary in their fight, allowing it to be close for some scores. Manny also was a lot more explosive back then and his punches were clearly harder than Floyds or at least more frequent in combination as opposed to pot shotting. Floyd could earn Oscars respect with a right hand flush and did a few times but I don't think he ever rocked him to the core like Manny did and never went to the body as brutally as Manny did, watch the combo he hits Oscar with in round to the body it looks like it lifts his leg off the mat

My question to the classic forum is how do you guys think Floyd does vs this Oscar?

 

My scores exactly, except for round 10, which I gave to Garcia, thus I had it 114 - 114, a draw.

So a majority decision by a narrow margin hardly counts as a robbery.

If you score the fight as a whole, Peterson won, by a clear margin.
He won his rounds more clearly.

And if you score by then sate of their mugs, again Lamont is pretty much unmarked and Danny's face was bloodied.


But the fight gets scored on rounds, so no robbery.

 

Had Garcia win 115-113 agreed with Farhood except on 9 and 10

Lamont gift wrapped the first half but did win 8,9,11 and 12 clear and battered Garcia. What I liked most was Petersens round 8 body work that turned the tide

I think Lamont pulls a win next time but he spent too much of the fight running, sure he made Danny uncomfortable and stifled his offense but got off nothing, you win with your fists not your feet

Quillin fight was weird the action was dull but the closeness of the score and the suspense that either guy could get clocked left me an active viewer

I guess it's easy to say Quillin should have attacked more but maybe he would have got laid out

It's not quantity but quality and Quillin faltered in both...it was apparent he could hurt lee when he opened up but he stopped once Lee dropped him. Quillin was smart to not rush a dangerous lee but was wrong to abandon offense and be sucked into lees game

He needed to jab feint and weave his way in but chose to telegraph bombs and step heavy with his lead leg

Both guys were so reluctant to attack even when they had the guy hurt

A good finisher would have had lee done after round 1, Lee was through and Quillin took a minute to throw in round 2

I had it 113-112 Quillin but it's closr

 

watched a lot of fights over the past week.

boom boom mancini vs greg haugan last night....haugen the fooker showboating in front of boom boom who looked 10 years older than he was...sad end to mancinis career really.

 

Freddie Pendleton vs Rafael Ruelas
Such a great fight. Ruelas did an amazing comeback, I had him winning 115-112.

 

The thing with that fight was so many people were totally against it happening in the first place. They thought the guy was brought in as an easy stay busy fight for Oscar. A mismatch kind of like Toney-Holyfield was looked at. But sometimes you have to go beyond the trunk of the tree to ****yze things.

But it's a sport of reflexes and it was obvious right off the bat who had the better reflexes. And how Oscar looked fighting a southpaw. I always thought a prime Nazarov was all wrong and was not surprised the DLH camp never made it happen.

What Oscar could not do was to solve the guy. Not even close to solving Manny. And it's funny how sometimes the guy used to dishing out the punishment looks when he's the guy in there absorbing 75% of the punches.

But what other so called easy victories could you have dug up for Oscar at the time anyway?

 

Had Baldomir fought Forrest yet?

He could have fought a former lineal welterweight champion and probably stopped him with ease like he did Mayorga

Also floating around that could have been easy might have been like an Alfonso Gomez type

 

I used to hang out on this forum quite a lot. Rarely posted. Just stopping back by to remind the classic guys about Eye On The Ring for tonight's fight. (And others, if you're into scoring old fights. Our database is growing again...)

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Frankie Liles vs Merqui Sosa : damn good fight ! underrated !

Lupe Pintor vs Alberto Davila II : marvelous fight. One of the best I've seen.

 

Arthur Abraham vs Andre Dirrel, this is a fight I missed live and never actually go around to, always assumed it would be boring since it was a one sided Dirrel fight. far from the truth actually a very fun fight to watch

I had it two rounds to Abraham can see a case for 3, can see a case for just 1 round to Arthur

Dirrel 1-7 and 9 plus a 10-8 in round 4 on a great knockdown

Abraham gave him 8 and 10 and 3 was a round that was a possibility. However the punch stats don't really support 8 for Abraham though he did rally with him on the ropes it was tough to tell what was actually getting in and Dirrel landed a flush left and right hook later on

Abraham just fought a massive stylistic nightmare in Dirrel. Abraham with his high guard and plodding foot work was rarely ever in position to land much of anything. He had moments in a few round but by the midway point was reduced to tossing very wide left hooks and lunging right hands. Abrahams success seemed to really hinge on Dirrels moments of lulls and going to the ropes.

Dirrel immediately attacked the body with the left to the body and by 2 and 3 began looping a left to the head around the guard. In the orthodox stance he seemed far more aggressive coming forward and throwing a left hook and straight right and pounding the body

Highlights

The round 4 knockdown, Abraham had a good 3rd Bernstein and 2 press row guys gave it to him, he hit Dirrel with a nice left hook and had him on the ropes but squared up and Dirrel fired a left down the middle that just flatted him. Abraham got up appearing to be ok but Dirrel attacked with flurries and had Arthur on the run at the end of the round

Round 7 had two, first if things were not bad enough a cut came in and ruled a punch it was a nasty cut, later replays showed the heads coming together but a camera angle wasn't presented to clarify it was a punch or the butt. At the end of the round Dirrel caught Abraham barreling in with a left and made him fall into the ropes, Dirrel rose his hands and walked toward a neutral corner but Laurence Cole ruled a slip, never showed a view of the feet so its really hard to tell if he was right or wrong

Round 9 began with the doctors taking a long look at the eye with Arthur pleading to continue the crowd sensing a possible end began a USA chant. Shortly after Abraham faked a low blow and turned only to have Cole not intervene and Dirrel fired away on him

Round 10 saw a Abraham knockdown ruled a slip, Abrahams foot came behind Dirrels lead foot and he tripped over it, Bernstein and Tarver felt it was more of the punch than anything, don't think this was a bad call

Round 11 obviously the infamous punch, to be honest the punch didn't look like much, didn't seem to be all that flush and he didn't put much on the shot. A rookie mistake from a veteran fighter. May have just been pure frustration given the cut, missed knockdown, not getting the crowd support, couldn't hit him and on the verge of losing his 0

Lots of fans point to Abraham coming on strong and about to finish him off, there were roughly 4-5 minutes in the fight and Abraham though on the canvas and attacked in round 10 didn't seem on the verge of going anywhere

 

Carl Froch vs Andre Dirrel, one of my first threads I ever started scored this for Froch then I followed up with a rescore and had it again for Froch. I wanted to go through this fight again since I had a very anti-Dirrel bias and pro Froch bias and wanted to give this another review

Froch- 6,7,8,9,10 with a 10-8 round 10 for the deduction

Dirrel2,3,4,5,11,12

Even 1

6-5-1 Dirrel with a point off for the penalty had it even at 114 if my math is right :nut

round 1 I could not pick a winner but I hate doing 10-10, round 10 Dirrel hurt Froch at the end, was it enough for a 9-9. Any change in the scoring of those rounds decides it, Im guessing Froch got 10-8 on the two cards he won

Dirrel boxing beautifully in 1-5 never giving Carl much of an opportunity to set, he got Carl to lunge wildly and get countered he also erased the Froch jab. I wonder if the judges gave Froch the 3rd based on the big right he landed that buckled Dirrel a little Dirrel ran across the ring with both hands over his head and Froch chased and landed a big straight right, Dirrel looked like an idiot

In 5 Froch hit on the break and tossed Dirrel to the canvas but from 6 on Dirrel just began to hold on for dear life and Froch would punch like a hockey fight with his right arm free he began to tag Dirrel inside

The deduction for holding was clearly justified Dirrel really began to hold a lot

Dirrel took 11 and 12 when he needed it bad giving away the middle rounds but even 11 was close Froch landed a bomb of a left hook and in 12 Froch rallied late in the round to get a last say

Rounds 9 on were amazing rounds 1-5 were sleep inducing

 

Jennings looked like a heavyweight Starling in that fight, although far less confident and chilled of course.